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Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by kube-system »

kazinator wrote: post #75
JellyBeanThief wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; it goes with their collection of wooden nickels. Define "obviously". Black and white on copy paper? Sure. But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? That's different. Forget the fibers and the holograms--we're not worried about people printing $20s and $100s to buy a high-end TV. It's singles and fives for groceries and h…

> But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? Someone pulling off right color and feel is not going to be stopped by CBCDG's crusade to put some nonsense into Adobe Photoshop.

Nobody called it a counterfeit prevention system.

If Adobe doesn’t want to facilitate counterfeiting, that’s their prerogative, regardless of their ineffectiveness in stopping crime that is beyond their ability to control. Adobe can only control what they control, and this is that.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

#82

Post by collegeburner »

dillondoyle wrote: post #67

Can open a file of money in illustrator, then copy and paste in as an object in Ps! Really dumb 'feature.' As if anyone could print money at home that would work, and even if so somehow this will stop amateur counterfeiters. Welll... I guess we did do that as pre-teens for $1 cookies. School found out obviously. Poor lady whose job that was I'm sure she got in trouble. kids are assholes.

we deadass printed a $7 with Nixon on it and i'm pretty sure we had one or two other stupid things too. lunch lady still took it.

kids are assholes.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

#83

Post by devwastaken »

kube-system wrote: post #74
kazinator wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it This is easy to say from a position of privilege, but the people trying to pass fake banknotes will just find weak targets. In hurried situations, in the dark, to the elderly, disabled, preoccupied, etc.

Safety vs freedom. If we continue to conjure hypotheticals and remove responsibility from the individual then you will be the cause of the issue, not the solution.

The overwhelming majority of transactions are not even cash anymore. I would not throw around the word "privledged" like a triangle that fits in every hole. Or else it loses it's intended meaning.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by unosama »

dumpsterdiver wrote: post #14
chrismsimpson wrote: post #8

More proprietary software treating their users like criminals as the default.

What legitimate use case can you think of where the benefit of faithfully reproducing currency is not outweighed by the need to prevent the proliferation of counterfeit currency?

It's not my software's job to decide what use cases are valid.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by [deleted] »

devwastaken wrote: post #83
kube-system wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it This is easy to say from a position of privilege, but the people trying to pass fake banknotes will just find weak targets. In hurried situations, in the dark, to the elderly, disabled, preoccupied, etc.

Safety vs freedom. If we continue to conjure hypotheticals and remove responsibility from the individual then you will be the cause of the issue, not the solution. The overwhelming majority of transactions are not even cash anymore. I would not throw around the word "privledged" like a triangle that fits in every hole. Or else it loses it's intended meaning.

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Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by unosama »

KerrAvon wrote: post #80
kazinator wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? Someone pulling off right color and feel is not going to be stopped by CBCDG's crusade to put some nonsense into Adobe Photoshop.

Yes, the feel of the paper in particular is impossible to casually replicate. However, what makes you think a particular minimum wage employee can actually feel the paper? People get injuries that affect their senses in weird ways. It’s still not fair to say that they “deserve it.” That said, I agree that Photoshop should not have this code. It’s on the Photoshop user to not be an asshole. That shouldn’t be Adobe’s p…

The worker could be blind too. Who's to say with those poor, ignorant minimum wagies

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by buildbot »

collegeburner wrote: post #82
dillondoyle wrote: post #67

Can open a file of money in illustrator, then copy and paste in as an object in Ps! Really dumb 'feature.' As if anyone could print money at home that would work, and even if so somehow this will stop amateur counterfeiters. Welll... I guess we did do that as pre-teens for $1 cookies. School found out obviously. Poor lady whose job that was I'm sure she got in trouble. kids are assholes.

we deadass printed a $7 with Nixon on it and i'm pretty sure we had one or two other stupid things too. lunch lady still took it. kids are assholes.

I feel like at some point it is on the adult for accepting a 7 dollar bill… Some places won’t even take (legal!) 2 dollar bills.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by unosama »

kube-system wrote: post #81
kazinator wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? Someone pulling off right color and feel is not going to be stopped by CBCDG's crusade to put some nonsense into Adobe Photoshop.

Nobody called it a counterfeit prevention system. If Adobe doesn’t want to facilitate counterfeiting, that’s their prerogative, regardless of their ineffectiveness in stopping crime that is beyond their ability to control. Adobe can only control what they control, and this is that.

This is a regulation, not something Adobe voluntarily did

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by devwastaken »

JellyBeanThief wrote: post #57
kazinator wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; it goes with their collection of wooden nickels. Define "obviously". Black and white on copy paper? Sure. But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? That's different. Forget the fibers and the holograms--we're not worried about people printing $20s and $100s to buy a high-end TV. It's singles and fives for groceries and h…

This is already easily done. Just exclude the security features that prevent opening or printing. If they're in that much of a hurry then they're not looking anyways. The only time the visual detection would be used is in conjunction with the other physical methods that cannot be printed.

Overwhelmingly transactions are digital, and for bigger stores self checkouts are used. If the problem was significant then cash registers can easily handle the bills and automatically scan them as self checkouts do. I would presume the level of fraud isn't even high enough to the cost of that hardware.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

wingspar wrote: post #34
kazinator wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

At least in the US, ‘old’ bills are still legal tender. A counterfeit bill pre-holograms and recent security stuff is still usable in public.

It sounds like you are onto the real cause. Some countries have dealt with that issue already.
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