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Monocraft: A programming font based on the typeface used in Minecraft

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Re: Monocraft: A programming font based on the typeface used in Minecraft

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Post by leshenka »

IgorPartola wrote: post #46
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #24

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A few reasons I don't like ligatures when coding: - It makes me have to think too hard to figure out where the boundaries actually lie between characters when I want to edit. I don't want to think about how many times I'll have to press backspace to delete a single "character"; without ligatures, I don't have to think at all. - With ligatures enabled, I have to remember how to type each character-group (e.g., that !=…

I am with you. When you are inverting your logic and need to delete the ! out of != but you have the ligature version you are prone to making a mistake. Best case, you notice it. Worst case you don’t and create a subtle bug.

just aim for the middle of the "=/=". Click right where the vertical line is

Re: Monocraft: A programming font based on the typeface used in Minecraft

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Post by daveslash »

IdreesInc wrote: post #23

Creator here, thanks for all the support for this objectively terrible programming font! Still working on some issues with windows not playing nicely with bold weights so be sure to watch the repository ( https://github.com/IdreesInc/Monocraft ) or follow me on Twitter ( https://twitter.com/IdreesInc ) for updates.

I'm always on the hunt for a good programming font, and I opened the link and immediately thought "omg, no! i hatez this!". I didn't want to be mean and say so out loud, so it's nice to see the creator say "objectively terrible programming font", lol. As bad as it is for working with code, I could definitely see some very cool applications otherwise. Nice work op!

Re: Monocraft: A programming font based on the typeface used in Minecraft

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Post by Terretta »

kuschku wrote: post #73
bcraven wrote: post #62

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Right-click > Open image in new tab https://i.imgur.com/wsWnMq0.png

That doesn’t work on mobile, and imgur sets a long-living cache header for this redirect, so even desktop mode can’t bypass it.

Works on my mobiles:

- iPad: two finger click, open in background (or long press, open in background)

- iPhone: long press, open in new tab

Both are reasonably crisp, though on iPhone I need to rotate to landscape unless I use a magnifying glass. :-)

Re: Monocraft: A programming font based on the typeface used in Minecraft

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Post by spicybright »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #39
arthurcolle wrote: post #13

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Ligatures are amazing, I don't understand why anyone would like ascii "compound versions" of a set of symbols when there are thousands if not many hundreds of thousands of great symbols that were used in older typographic settings that are available for usage.

Ligatures obscure the underlying text, which is a problem when you actually edit it. It is okay to have light ligatures where the original text is retained but refined in style but many fonts with ligatures do too much [1], like rendering `!==` as two lines and a slashed stroke in between (come on, who on earth did think this is a good idea???). I would rather have a Unicode symbol support and automatic symbol substi…

Because people can have preferences to make things work better for them, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Software engineering is one of the few professions where you can use a hammer you designed yourself that fits your hand perfectly and is optimal for the task at hand.

Changes like this don't mean you're forcing other people to use your weird shaped nails, tho.

Re: Monocraft: A programming font based on the typeface used in Minecraft

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Post by spicybright »

iamevn wrote: post #35
phinnaeus wrote: post #33

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This would have to be at the language level, surely. Even comparing "case" is filled with weird complexity, comparing equality in this way seems fraught.

Absolutely, my ideal would be for the canonical form in the codebase to just be the abstract token. It would have one or more possible names stored in the codebase. Then each developer would be able to choose the names they'd prefer to see and type in their editors. (Decoupling the name of a code unit from the actual reference to/implementation of it is one of the things I'm really excited about in the Unison program…

That would make it extremely difficult to talk to anyone else about the code though, no?

You'd have to spend time finding and learning the "common" ground between every fellow developer you talk to.

Re: Monocraft: A programming font based on the typeface used in Minecraft

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Post by OGWhales »

Zobat wrote: post #77
OGWhales wrote: post #25

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I have dyslexia and I can tell I have to slow down a bit when reading this, but it’s not bad. I assume the closeness between characters makes it slightly worse for everyone, especially with characters like “o” and “c” differing by a single pixel. On the topic, I recently learned about the Dyslexie font [0] as well as OpenDyslexic [1]. You can see the goal is to make characters easily differentiated. Not sure how I fe…

Question: Are you a programmer? If so, what is you opinion on ligatures? Do they help in readability of code?

I am. I think in some cases they can be cool, but I don't find them obviously beneficial and have never bothered to use them. I don't find symbols like != to be particularly challenging, as the shape is clear and the meaning well ingrained in my brain. Maybe if I used them for a year I would strongly prefer ligatures, but right now I don't feel the need to use them.

Re: Monocraft: A programming font based on the typeface used in Minecraft

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Post by lifthrasiir »

spicybright wrote: post #84
lifthrasiir wrote: post #39

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Ligatures obscure the underlying text, which is a problem when you actually edit it. It is okay to have light ligatures where the original text is retained but refined in style but many fonts with ligatures do too much [1], like rendering `!==` as two lines and a slashed stroke in between (come on, who on earth did think this is a good idea???). I would rather have a Unicode symbol support and automatic symbol substi…

Because people can have preferences to make things work better for them, and there's nothing wrong with that. Software engineering is one of the few professions where you can use a hammer you designed yourself that fits your hand perfectly and is optimal for the task at hand. Changes like this don't mean you're forcing other people to use your weird shaped nails, tho.

Of course. You can use Comic Sans for programming or whatnot if you really want (and there is actually a good reason, including dyslexia). But it is generally frowned upon because the font was never designed for that purpose and its use mostly indicates that the user is clueless about typography. Likewise excessive ligatures have their places, but there is a good reason to avoid them when you frequently have to edit them.

Re: Monocraft: A programming font based on the typeface used in Minecraft

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Post by kuschku »

Terretta wrote: post #83
kuschku wrote: post #73

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That doesn’t work on mobile, and imgur sets a long-living cache header for this redirect, so even desktop mode can’t bypass it.

Works on my mobiles: - iPad: two finger click, open in background (or long press, open in background) - iPhone: long press, open in new tab Both are reasonably crisp, though on iPhone I need to rotate to landscape unless I use a magnifying glass. :-)

That gets you the recompressed 70% quality webp, not the original resolution.
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