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Don't ignore the janitor

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Re: Don't ignore the janitor

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Whenever I notice someone doing menial work, I try to say something like "Thanks for looking out for us" or "Thanks for taking care of us" I don't know all the names of the security and janitorial folks, but I do know a few.

That sounds a bit patronizing to be honest.

Yea, it can be taken that way. Anything can. You still have to put the good vibes out there.

Re: Don't ignore the janitor

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Further, try to abide by their requests. If they want the trash can by the door to your office or cubicle on Thursday evening, move the damn trashcan to the door. They have 100 to empty; it's a trivial task for you. We can get wound up in ourselves and forget to hold a door, or avoid spilling crumbs on our carpet, or log out of our workstation, or use a different hallway when the floor is being waxed, or to move the…

I do get being nice to janitors--and I am happy to help them with something if asked, and I don't "ignore" them as noted in this article as I definitely agree that's rude to treat them as second-class humans unworthy of being regarded with eye contact or banter--but I am being paid to do my job and they are being paid to their job and if I am spending my time or mental energy doing part of their job then I feel like…

I take this type of mindset often. It's something I'm trying to change.

The better mindset, in my opinion, is that you can choose to do something nice for others for no reason other than to help someone else out.

Re: Don't ignore the janitor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. (...) -- Ingersoll

Funny, I thought Lyndon Johnson said that. Maybe he was just quoting it.

I also had it wrong, and thought it came from Lincoln originally.

Per Reuters Fact Check team:

> Misattributed. There is no evidence Lincoln ever made such a statement about testing a man’s character. The author appears to be Robert G. Ingersoll, who used this phrase to describe the 16th president of the United States on several occasions in the 1890s [1].

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-abrahamlincoln-pow...

Re: Don't ignore the janitor

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This seems harder in our modern world where everything is contracted out to the lowest bidder. I've had great conversations with custodial staff at schools, parks, and other areas that actually hire the workers. At my day job, a giant corporation which hires its engineers but outsources its janitors, chefs, and so on, there's a totally different vibe. Even the few janitors that speak English are both rushed to comple…

> ... it means that even when I do say hello or hold a door or whatever I don't get a response.

I'm sure they find it condescending. This whole post is kind of condescending TBH.

Re: Don't ignore the janitor

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I ignore the janitor because of the obvious wealth disparity between us. He works just as hard as me but is doing a job nobody likes and is paid less for it. It's completely unfair. And when I just see the janitor it's all I think about. This article is like, be nice to the people you step on. Yeah. I don't disagree with that sentiment.

You may find this post by someone who spent most of his life poor then became reasonably well-off enlightening, specifically his comments about how he was historically confused by the rich people in his life avoiding the topic of money:

https://www.residentcontrarian.com/p/on-being-rich-ish-lesso...

That is - you may feel much more awkward about the wealth disparity than the janitor himself does.

Re: Don't ignore the janitor

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Further, try to abide by their requests. If they want the trash can by the door to your office or cubicle on Thursday evening, move the damn trashcan to the door. They have 100 to empty; it's a trivial task for you. We can get wound up in ourselves and forget to hold a door, or avoid spilling crumbs on our carpet, or log out of our workstation, or use a different hallway when the floor is being waxed, or to move the…

What is this “door” you speak of in the office? The agile police would surely have that removed pronto.

Re: Don't ignore the janitor

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Is...being decent to everyone regardless of job status in life a new thing? Has tech come so far that we have to re-teach ourselves the basics and then brag about how we smile at "service staff"? Up next in a techbro blog post: "I have discovered that money doesn't buy happiness, and that being an asshole isn't a good thing."

I think there is just a high correlation between people for whom this "tip" isn't painfully obvious and people who think their thoughts are so valuable that they belong in a substack.

Re: Don't ignore the janitor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do get being nice to janitors--and I am happy to help them with something if asked, and I don't "ignore" them as noted in this article as I definitely agree that's rude to treat them as second-class humans unworthy of being regarded with eye contact or banter--but I am being paid to do my job and they are being paid to their job and if I am spending my time or mental energy doing part of their job then I feel like…

It's like 10 seconds of your time.

It takes even less time if they were already planning on walking from the trashcan to a central location anyway.
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