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Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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I believe ECMAScript is the specification of which JavaScript is an implementation.

It's not. ECMAScript is just an awkward name they used because people couldn't agree to use "JavaScript". They're really the same thing. Implementations of ECMAScript/JavaScript are things like V8 and Spidermonkey.

And people couldn't agree to use JavaScript because the term was trademarked.

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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I always have had problem with this definition... what do you mean by "implementation"? in my head "implementations" are "programs". Like... "C" is a specification, "gcc" is an implementation. "Python" is a specification, "CPython", "PyPy", ... are implementations. "ECMAScript" is a specification, "webkit", "spidermonkey", ... are implementations. "JavaScript" is a (trademarked) specification, and also "ECMAScript" a…

Flash's ActionScript was also ab implementation of ECMAScript IIRC

That's one thing I never understood. For me they seemed like completely different languages. Now looking at history in Wikipedia, it seems that old version of ActionScript was based on old version of ECMAScript specification. And ActionScript 2 which introduced strict typing and classes (that look nothing like JavaScript) was partially based on ECMAScript 4(which was abandoned as being too different from previous ECMAScript 3). Latest version of ECMAScript is 13. So at this point it seems like latest versions of JavaScript and ActionScript(3) have as much common as D and Rust. They shared early history but afterwards diverged quite a bit.

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Can’t you just call it ECMAScript We're at about the right point in the timeline to start calling it YavaScript which both solves the trademark problem and keeps us on the path laid out in prophesy.

For the uninitiated: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death...

Or for the initiated the HNews post of it back in 2014:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7605687

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Since they trademarked Java makes sense to keep the JavaScript trademark. JavaScript was a terrible terrible name, but it is what it is... This is a non-problem for the world. I never heard of this being enforced in any way.

> JavaScript was a terrible terrible name, but it is what it is...

"LiveScript" was a great name, they never should have changed it.

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Yet somehow people like this manage to employ and fund the livelihoods of tens of thousands of people, established an ecosystem of skilled engineers, and deliver products that run huge swathes of the economy. I’m no particular fan of Ellison, but I’ve worked for a billionaire when he made his money, Mo Ibrahim. Just the nicest guy. His technical smarts and business sense helped launch a key stage in my career and I’l…

My friend you need to get a grip. Mo Ibrahim employs people because he makes money off of them; not because he's a saint. Your phrasing makes it sound like Walmart employees should be licking the Walmart brothers boots for the opportunity to make them money. Billionaires become billionaires by setting up systems and collecting rent. That's it. Whether that's good or bad is a different topic.

Depends on the system.
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