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Re: Stable Diffusion animation

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Post by quadcore »

desindol wrote: post #52

Maybe I can shine some light on the debate from an concept artist standpoint that works in VFX and advertising. I worked on feature films (3 of them in the imdb top 100), tv shows (like game of thrones) and hundreds of AD campaigns. In the last 10 year the work of a concept artist changed dramatically we have gone from purely painted concept art to mostly "photobashed". Photobashed means basically that you rip apart…

I think people here are confusing everything. And Parent you dont realize that 10 years from now you might lose your job not because of some external factors but because you mindlessly got yourself out of your own job by using tools you dont understand. So let me clarify a few points.

0. Parent, every input you put in that box is an input you soon wont have to make (and that will feel great at first) until you have no input to give anymore.

0.5 By art, I mean entertainment mainly. Not constrained to fine art.

1. Of course this looks like a tool now. And tools are great. We gota make sure they stay tools though.

2. Whatever work you do now with them, the AI will learn to do it by itself without you. You are training the AI.

3. The copyright issue is not unlike music and games in the early 2000'. You would pay if you were proposed the right delivery method.

3.5 the AI isnt creative, this is sophisticated plagiarism.

4. Moore's law. Moore's law. Moore's law. There are for-profit companies behind these AI that have no limit in the amount of value they wanna grab. Their goal is that we can click on a button and voila, you have a movie.

5. Please automate my job you may think. Absolutely, I wish mine (software developer) was. But art / entertainment is different. Now I cant explain it entirely, Im not philosopher (there is something about we still gota control what we do and do not) but if you automate art, our brain becomes useless. Our soul dies. And nature tend to recycle whats useless. Turns it into food.

6. "We ll just do some new art / entertainment". Which the AI will mimic the next day. So you cant even hope to work on entertainment anymore. It's a death I cant qualify.

The core of whats wrong here is ultimately, in a perfect world, an artist could choose if he wants the AI to scan its work (i.e. integrate its work in the tool) and be payed for it. That way we would choose what we like to do and automate everything else. If we cant do this, the AI will do everything even what we should be doing. So we should ban those models (or improve their practicality).

Re: Stable Diffusion animation

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Post by Pxtl »

barrysteve wrote: post #45
autoexec wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, but projects like this do make me think AI handling inbetweens well enough to replace animators is where we'll end up eventually and that it's probably not far off.

I don't want to burst your bubble, but it might happen anyway. The artwork is inside a scene, SD does not understand that scene. The artwork has spatial and human readable emotional relationships. SD does not understand those relationships. SD can maybe create morphs between frames, as a lateral move between two pieces of generated information, but it will never know how to connect up those images in a manner that sa…

> never

Yeah, never say never. If AI can replace artists, it can replace animators, it can replace programmers, and ultimately it can replace humanity altogether.

I think we all knew this in the abstract but the pace is a bit faster than anybody expects.

Re: Stable Diffusion animation

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Post by desindol »

quadcore wrote: post #81
desindol wrote: post #52

Maybe I can shine some light on the debate from an concept artist standpoint that works in VFX and advertising. I worked on feature films (3 of them in the imdb top 100), tv shows (like game of thrones) and hundreds of AD campaigns. In the last 10 year the work of a concept artist changed dramatically we have gone from purely painted concept art to mostly "photobashed". Photobashed means basically that you rip apart…

I think people here are confusing everything. And Parent you dont realize that 10 years from now you might lose your job not because of some external factors but because you mindlessly got yourself out of your own job by using tools you dont understand. So let me clarify a few points. 0. Parent, every input you put in that box is an input you soon wont have to make (and that will feel great at first) until you have n…

See I am not a concept artist I am an Art/Creative Director… if I tell a machine what to do or a person doesn’t change my job. Even if it goes away it’s fine I’ll do something else. Crazy I know.

Re: Stable Diffusion animation

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Post by desindol »

belter wrote: post #74
desindol wrote: post #52

Maybe I can shine some light on the debate from an concept artist standpoint that works in VFX and advertising. I worked on feature films (3 of them in the imdb top 100), tv shows (like game of thrones) and hundreds of AD campaigns. In the last 10 year the work of a concept artist changed dramatically we have gone from purely painted concept art to mostly "photobashed". Photobashed means basically that you rip apart…

Thanks a lot for your insight, it's great to hear from somebody in the industry. This same industry, is logically, also quite keen on enforcing the rights of creators and media copyright. Most of the discussion, has been on the technical details of these very interesting advances. Do you think it will be concern for the production process, the origin of the source data used to train these models?

The most images are made in preproduction and there won’t be concern but there is a lot going on creating datasets specific to clients like marvel or Star Wars for which they have millions of images in archives.

Re: Stable Diffusion animation

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Post by quadcore »

desindol wrote: post #83
quadcore wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people here are confusing everything. And Parent you dont realize that 10 years from now you might lose your job not because of some external factors but because you mindlessly got yourself out of your own job by using tools you dont understand. So let me clarify a few points. 0. Parent, every input you put in that box is an input you soon wont have to make (and that will feel great at first) until you have n…

See I am not a concept artist I am an Art/Creative Director… if I tell a machine what to do or a person doesn’t change my job. Even if it goes away it’s fine I’ll do something else. Crazy I know.

Added point 5 I forgot, thanks to your comment.

Re: Stable Diffusion animation

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Post by desindol »

quadcore wrote: post #85
desindol wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See I am not a concept artist I am an Art/Creative Director… if I tell a machine what to do or a person doesn’t change my job. Even if it goes away it’s fine I’ll do something else. Crazy I know.

Added point 5 I forgot, thanks to your comment.

I am not an artist people might interpret my work as art but for me it’s a craft. The thing with real art is you do art because you want to do art and with luck you can make a living of it. If you do art for the money you always had bad luck maybe now even more. As long as people need a way to express themselves there will be art in one form or another.

Re: Stable Diffusion animation

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Post by quadcore »

desindol wrote: post #86
quadcore wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Added point 5 I forgot, thanks to your comment.

I am not an artist people might interpret my work as art but for me it’s a craft. The thing with real art is you do art because you want to do art and with luck you can make a living of it. If you do art for the money you always had bad luck maybe now even more. As long as people need a way to express themselves there will be art in one form or another.

Added point 0.5 I forgot because of your comment.
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