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EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by robocat »

icedchai wrote: post #74
TylerE wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

You may be off a bit. A gigabit is only around 125 megabytes a second. A low end consumer SSD is closer to a 550 megabytes second, or ~4 gigabits. A high-end NVMe SSD will get you 3 or 4 gigabytes a second. 30 to 40x a gigabit!

> A high-end NVMe SSD will get you 3 or 4 gigabytes a second

That is PCIe 3.0. For example the Samsung PCIe 4.0 990 PRO just released: sequential read 7.45GB/s and write 6.9GB/s — https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/samsung-announces-99...

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by TylerE »

icedchai wrote: post #74
TylerE wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

You may be off a bit. A gigabit is only around 125 megabytes a second. A low end consumer SSD is closer to a 550 megabytes second, or ~4 gigabits. A high-end NVMe SSD will get you 3 or 4 gigabytes a second. 30 to 40x a gigabit!

Under ideal circumstances, yes. When say, torrenting, or anything else with non-ideal file access patterns real world speeds are not going to be nearly that high, especially on a consumer-grade drive.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by marviel »

digdugdirk wrote: post #73

Chattanooga Tennessee, for those curious but not curious enough to read the article. I'm intrigued by the city's push for this community co-op high speed internet - does anyone here have any experience with how the city has changed before/after the "gig-city" push? And did pandemic work from home change/accelerate things at all?

Had to move away for work -- but in my experience, the city has successfully reinvented itself and is now one of the most desirable places to live in the south.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

icedchai wrote: post #74
TylerE wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

You may be off a bit. A gigabit is only around 125 megabytes a second. A low end consumer SSD is closer to a 550 megabytes second, or ~4 gigabits. A high-end NVMe SSD will get you 3 or 4 gigabytes a second. 30 to 40x a gigabit!

Grandma running pirated Word 2007 on an ancient dust-clogged Dell laptop that her grandson upgraded with a cheap 256GB Lite-On mSATA SSD stolen from a throwaway work computer is probably only getting 125MByte/sec and certainly lower than that due to the plethora of IE addons constantly writing to it.

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Post by [deleted] »

TylerE wrote: post #76
mikeyouse wrote: post #70

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Right - the popular sentiment on my smallish town Facebook group is people dropping their 300mbps cable since Spectrum is an awful company to deal with in favor of cell-based (T-mobile or Verizon) home service. 90%+ of people in most areas don't need internet any faster than Netflix requires, and nobody is running ethernet so WiFi speeds are going to be the limiting factor in internet speed for most everyone else.

I went from ~250Mbit to Gigabit recently. I don't notice it on my wireless clients at all, but it is really nice on my main PC, which is tied directly into the router via a good 'ole cable. I've seen actual downloads speeds flirting with 100MB/sec, which is really nice when downloading some of these massive 50GB+ games.

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Post by bob1029 »

I've been shopping around for alternatives to Texas, and Chattanooga, TN just jumped to the top of my list.

I definitely couldn't take direct advantage of 25 gigabit/s service myself. But, I do enjoy the idea of it attracting certain types of businesses & people to an area and creating opportunities that might not be possible elsewhere.

Also, the fact that this sort of internet service is possible in an area gives me hope for the leadership.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by tyingq »

r00fus wrote: post #9

Wow this reads like an announcement from a different timeline (like the one that was promised when fiber was promoted in the early 2000s). 25Gb/s symmetric? In the middle of Tennessee? Meanwhile I have traffic-shaped Comcast and no fiber in sight in Silicon Valley.

It is cool, but I imagine it's expensive. Tried their site with a random address, and 10Gig is $300/month...their 1Gig is $68/month. 25Gb isn't yet listed.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

digdugdirk wrote: post #73

Chattanooga Tennessee, for those curious but not curious enough to read the article. I'm intrigued by the city's push for this community co-op high speed internet - does anyone here have any experience with how the city has changed before/after the "gig-city" push? And did pandemic work from home change/accelerate things at all?

It started out to build a smart power grid, and I can say it did that pretty well. The network was able to automatically re-routr power to decrease outages substantially during storms without requiring crews to fix it.

Most people I know converted pretty quickly to EPB from Comcast, but apartments and HOAs still make contracts for exclusive Comcast wiring, even brand new HOAs that are being built.

My understanding is Comcast significantly improved in the Chattanooga area to compete, but I never went back and will never move to an area where I have to use Comcast again.

The best part about EPB was that they will service any house within their service area - for no crazy cost. I think initial setup was sometimes either completely waived or less than $100, no matter the house.

Also, the billing is nice - when they say $70 - it's $70 - no extra taxes or fees on top of that like most telecoms and utilities do.

As for actual changes - the city failed to truly capitalize on having a gig network. We wasted millions of dollars on a city-wide wifi system that was never turned on, due to political reasons (thr decision maker saw poor performance and shut it down after $300 million was already wasted putting up routers across the city.

The push I expected was smarter stoplights and traffic management, but that never happened. If anything it got worse.

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Post by drBonkers »

mindslight wrote: post #79
yborg wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP story is literally the municipal provider delivering 25x faster service over 12 years. The "never upgrade the technology" provider is usually going to be monopoly Comcast, because they know your other option is a can and string.

Sarcasm. It's a useful skill that fosters self awareness and builds your memetic defenses. And I even included a free tag to help train your detector.

Do you have any books or resources on how sarcasm affects self awareness and memetic defenses?

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Post by aetherspawn »

Considering that 10G fiber gear is not very expensive at all (ie 28 port fiber switch - $1000) I’ve wondered what the hold-up is on 10Gbps SFP+ becoming a standard.

In Australia we’re shamefully paying $1150 per month for our business symmetrical 10G SFP+ (shaped to 1/1G), but a 1G 1000/40 connection is only $100/mo.

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