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The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#81
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If I could afford a Porsche I would still get a manual option. Changing gears cleanly, heel-toe blipping the throttle when gearing down, getting the right gear at the right time - simple pleasures. It seems the more refined cars become the less character they have. Even the equivalent cars to my old dependable friend feel like lesser cars. Annoy CVTs, electric power steering, and finishes that feel cheap. And windows…

Dual clutch transmissions are pretty fun in a sports car.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#82
post #58

> it’s not something you master overnight. I’m not ashamed to mention that it took me a few sessions in a parking lot to get the fundamentals down This kind of line always confuses me. I mean, I remember my first driving lesson in the UK. Guy arrived in a BMW 116, manual. He said to me: what is there to explain, you get in and drive. So I got in and drove. Did my first hour, took 5 minutes to get comfortable with the…

I guess it depends on the car you started in and how easy it is to stall. My Jeep Cherokee with an inline 6 would have been an incredibly easy car to learn on, but my RX-8 - with about the same amount of low-end torque as a sewing machine - was much less forgiving. If it had been my first manual car, it would have taken ages to feel comfortable. And to your question, the answer is actually yes. Because fewer folks in…

> I guess it depends on the car you started in and how easy it is to stall.

I had similar experiences. I am British also, so, also learned in and mostly drive manuals. My instructor's car would stall if you looked at it funny. A secondhand car I drove after I passed my test would almost never stall at all. I don't remember the makes - I enjoy driving but I'm definitely not into cars that much, sorry. But there's definitely quite a bit of variation in how cars handle and even someone like me who doesn't care that much for the internal details realises they'll need to “figure out" a new manual car when they first drive it.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read the article is says that dual clutch automatics are much faster than manual transmission and most modern automatics have 7 to 10 gears for better fuel efficiency but no one is willing to use a manual transmission with that many gears.

Truckers have entered the thread. (I agree though, since I don’t drive a semi or dump truck.)

Trucks don't have 18 gears for efficiency. They have 18 gears because low-revving diesel engines have small power bands; mix that with heavy loads, and it pretty much necessitates having a lot of short, closely-spaced gear ratios, so that maximum torque can be achieved consistently, no matter what speed you're at.

Also, FWIW, they don't just pick between 18 gears with a single shifter. They have multiple inputs that allow shifting between multiple combinations of gears, some requiring clutch to change and some not, as they gain speed. Most trucks still only have 6-ish positions for the main gear shifter to slot in to.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real issue isn't the demise of manual transmissions. It's the upcoming demise of transmissions entirely as electrification continues it's march towards ubiquity.

You need a lot more mining and environmental destruction to get enough batteries for replacing all cars with electric vehicles. Kind of wondering if maybe one day we could have safe micro reactors that can power vehicles.

I saw how that turned out in Fallout.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#85

> it’s not something you master overnight. I’m not ashamed to mention that it took me a few sessions in a parking lot to get the fundamentals down This kind of line always confuses me. I mean, I remember my first driving lesson in the UK. Guy arrived in a BMW 116, manual. He said to me: what is there to explain, you get in and drive. So I got in and drove. Did my first hour, took 5 minutes to get comfortable with the…

bmw does shift quite wonderfully. I learnt manual on a Mazda demio though around 1L engine and very predictable shifts gave me all the confidence in driving a manual full time... Then I got a Honda Integra B16A engine (early 90s) which revved to 8000rpm and the vagueness of shifts meant a successful shift at those rpms was way too much fun for a teenager...

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#86

Nothing protects your car from theft by millennials like a manual transmission.

Maybe you're thinking Gen Z? I'm a millennial and I learned to drive around the turn of the millennium (midwestern state so a year or 2 earlier than most). My parents owned a few sticks over the years and they weren't that uncommon in the 90s. Alot of our first cars would be hand me downs from 80s/early 90s, when stick was not uncommon.

Just another example of us being the butt of jokes from boomers, even when it's not the case. :)

My current car is a low milage 1991 Acura Integra 5-speed manual. I bought it party because it would have been one of the cool cars to have back in high school. No one would have thought the manual would be that out of place back then.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#87
IMHO, manual transmissions are like hand-crank windows. Automatic (windows and transmissions) are more performant (with less "manual" intervention). That being said, I tend to prefer the manual option for both of these, especially on vehicles I plan to own long-term. They just work. If they do break, they do not take a rocket scientist to fix (or require totally replacing a component.)

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#88

> it’s not something you master overnight. I’m not ashamed to mention that it took me a few sessions in a parking lot to get the fundamentals down This kind of line always confuses me. I mean, I remember my first driving lesson in the UK. Guy arrived in a BMW 116, manual. He said to me: what is there to explain, you get in and drive. So I got in and drove. Did my first hour, took 5 minutes to get comfortable with the…

There are a lot of handed down memories of shifting in non-synchromesh transmissions with lousy cable driven clutches. These are very old memories. Modern manuals do a lot of interesting things like force shifting patterns for efficiency. If you really want to geek out, do a NASCAR Racing Experience. Those clutches and transmissions are awful in comparison (they’re not supposed to be optimized for feel). They’re mush…

> If you really want to geek out, do a NASCAR Racing Experience. Those clutches and transmissions are awful in comparison (they’re not supposed to be optimized for feel). They’re mushy, the clutch throw is long and very stiff, and the shifter takes forever to move into gear. The base model economy car stick shift I learned in (‘91 Mazda derived Ford Escort) feels like a luxurious precision instrument in comparison.

As of 2022 they have the fancy five speed sequential stuff and the clutch is not always necessary.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/do-the-nascar-next-gen-cars-hav...

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#89
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes the good ol' "Tap the breaks before an overtake" trick. Just as god intended. /s

Most modern automatic transmissions let you pick a gear if you really want to, either with paddle shifters on the wheel or a sideways +/- slot next to "D" on the gear lever. You don't get the sensation of letting the clutch go at juuust the right revs, but hey, there are always motorcycles.

Whenever I try that it seems to overrule my shifts. Can’t go to first gear above a certain speed. Stay in a low gear too long and we’ll go ahead and upshift anyway.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#90
In my country manual used to be the default until as recently as 5 years ago; now automakers as well as customers are shifting towards automatics in a big way. They're just super convenient in crowded cities.

Whether I want a manual or an automatic depends on the nature of the car. If it's a small fun-to-drive car — like a Mini Cooper, BMW 3 series, porsches etc — I prefer manual.

But if it's a large luxury sedan or large SUV, then I will opt for automatic.

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