How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week? • Hacker News Board

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by wbsss4412 » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:05 PM UTC

kenjackson wrote: post #74

wbsss4412 wrote: post #71

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You’re confusing partisanship with identity. I realize it’s seemingly a small difference or amounts to the same thing, but not making the distinction really muddies the conversation.

I view them as different in that this is about your personal identity. An example, is if a Republican Governor commits a crime -- should I care? Not really, it doesn't change the party platform. Maybe a minor impact associated with their chance at re-election. But when your identity is caught up with party, now you start to defend the governer purely because of their party. It's not simply a party affiliation, but yo…

I realize that, but it’s a redefinition that makes it very challenging for people engaging in fleeting internet conversations to follow the thread.

Identity politics and partisanship have fairly well defined meanings within political discourse, and so when you say “identity is the problem” the assumption for many people is that you’re talking about issues like BLM, trans issues, etc.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by briantakita » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:07 PM UTC

Both networks require large amounts of capital. Different sides of same dialectics that are important to those who influence large amounts of capital. A better comparison would be independent news sources of individuals against large corporate media.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:10 PM UTC

blowski wrote: post #26

ajross wrote: post #4

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The point is more that Fox will routinely elevate issues that aren't really "news" in a traditional sense to major "stories", either to fill time[1] or to make a partisan argument. The IRS funding is a great example here. The IRA bill indeed increases funding for the Internal Revenue Service by something like 30%. This would be reasonable content to include in a print article, say, of the kind of bureaucratic funding…

Your own bias is showing. Fox watchers would say something like "it's just a witchhunt, and it found nothing" or "climate change is a big fat nothingburger". (I personally don't believe that!)

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Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by NaturalPhallacy » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:10 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #79

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #78

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>It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. False. Here's the new information: >The 1,286 overdose deaths reported to MDH last year represented a 22% increase from the 2020 total. https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod0714... The rate is increasing. That's the story. >You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't cha…

As the sibling comment pointed out, wages for jobs typically done by illegal immigrants is up, which implies immigration is down . So again, the only thing that is up is enforcement. The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it.

So now it's not "bordering on conspiracy theory" but "the only thing that is up is enforcement." This is called the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

The rate going up is a change. New data. News.

>The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it.

It's a bad situation that has gotten worse. Because more people are dying than previously. That is a story.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by xboxnolifes » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:13 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #72

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #68

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> The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > 2.1 million illegal immigrants projected this year (hundreds of thousands already) is a hell of a story You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.

> > The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information.

> It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information.

Even if there isn't new information, it's worth repeating yearly for the simple reason that every year younger people get older and start paying more attention to news. Imagine being 18 and hearing about something for the first time and someone goes "how don't you know about this, CNN covered it 5 years ago!".

Also, consider that the fentanyl crisis isn't improving is new information in itself to those who may have stock in the existing attempts to curb it. Even more so that it seems like things are actually getting worse.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by ajross » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:14 PM UTC

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #68

jedberg wrote: post #51

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It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories.

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CNN has absolutely covered immigration issues and fentanyl overdoses. They didn't cover those subjects this week, because they had more important breaking news on the TV (like an unprecedented FBI raid on a former president) and those subjects had no new information to report.

That doesn't seem relevant to you? Effectively FOX was covering that stuff because it needed filler material to suppress the stories it didn't want to run.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by timbit42 » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:16 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #22

kenjackson wrote: post #11

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What are good news sources? I guarantee you that for any news source you pick, there are people who will argue that it is crappy and/or biased.

> What are good news sources? I wish I had an answer. Good news sources are usually a case of: I know it when I see it. Once you read enough you can tell good shit from bad shit. Shows depth of knowledge, rigor, both sides (if there is an actual legitimate other side), a slant toward neutral verbiage, according to ..., reports ..., etc. I wish this could be passed on to others. Good news sources have "it" I think the…

There aren't any excellent news sources in the US but Voice of America (voanews.com) is pretty good.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by timbit42 » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:18 PM UTC

blowski wrote: post #44

egberts1 wrote: post #20

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Combined? Nope. CNN is chronically last. FoxNews is invariably first.

On websites, CNN is 4th (43%), Fox is 8th (40%). https://today.yougov.com/ratings/media/popularity/news-websi... On TV (amongst the big three news channels), Fox is first, then NBC, then CNN. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/124-cable-channels-ranke... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_(American_television...

MSNBC and CNN together are almost as big as FoxNews.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by timbit42 » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:20 PM UTC

BeetleB wrote: post #50

jollybean wrote: post #18

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CNN is not a crappy news source. It's mostly above board, if biased. The non-opinion parts of Fox are not that bad but it's more rare. My bet is they are looking at headline coverage both news and opinion. I think this is a really worthy excercise so that we can see a bit more methodologically what kind of bias happens with selective coverage. The tone and content of the coverage matters a lot. Almost all of the edit…

> It's mostly above board, if biased. Above board does not equate with quality. CNN is pretty crap compared to most big print newspapers.

Pretty much all TV news is crap compared to big print newspapers.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by Volundr » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 9:30 PM UTC

xboxnolifes wrote: post #85

jedberg wrote: post #72

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> The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > 2.1 million illegal immigrants projected this year (hundreds of thousands already) is a hell of a story You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.

> > The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. Even if there isn't new information, it's worth repeating yearly for the simple reason that every year younger people get older and start paying more attention to news. Imagine being 18 and hearing about something for the firs…

We'll it looks like CNN covered it in may in a dedicated article [1], as well as mentioning it in a number of other articles about related things, such as fentanyl drug busts. So they may not be covering it weekly or daily, but it's not like it's going 5 years between mentions.

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...