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Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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I never seen frozen fruit, but frozen vegetables are super common.

> I never seen frozen fruit Never seen a bag of frozen berries?

Genuinely not. Maybe the really big shops have it somewhere and I did not noticed. It is not shocking it exists, but it is genuinely far from dominating stores. It is vegetables and ice scream dominating here.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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How do you arrive at the conclusion that the best thing to do in the US is switch your meats? Every form from animal protein is going to be less efficient than plant protein and result in more emissions [1]. There are some amazing Kurzgesagt videos exposing how and why that is true [2]. So since we know that eating animals is not required to be healthy at any stage of life [3] (assuming basic access to required nutri…

>how did you arrive to conclusion that eating chicken is better than eating lentils, beans, etc I haven't made such a claim (here "better" would be solely in terms of emissions). What was implied was that the delta of the emissions from switching from beef to chicken/fish is (far) larger than the delta from switching from them to veganism (it's important to note that per grams of protein, dairy is comparable in emmis…

If switching from beef to chicken is an option, and switching from beef to lentils is an option, and you say that switching from beef to chickens is the best option then you are indeed implying that switching from beef to chicken is better than switching from beef to lentils. You need not explicitly state exactly that; it logically follows from what you said.

Also you refute the general scientific consensus among all major nutrition and dietetic institutions worldwide that animal products are not required to be healthy at any stage of life by saying “that’s probably not true”. You’ve got to admit how silly that is, right? Unless the “at the margin” part of what you said means something I don’t understand?

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

#83
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Is your AC on right now?

I don't even have something like that installed. It's obvious what you are trying to do: Make other people seem worse than you are such that you still have your excuse for meat consumption. And for what? As if it would impact your life significantly to remove meat from the ingredients of meals I don't know where you live, but here you don't need to starve without meat even if you don't cook for yourself at all.

Well you are completely wrong. Meat consumption is a very crucial part of my life and I am not willing compromise on that. The decrease in quality of life is just not worth it for me.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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>how did you arrive to conclusion that eating chicken is better than eating lentils, beans, etc I haven't made such a claim (here "better" would be solely in terms of emissions). What was implied was that the delta of the emissions from switching from beef to chicken/fish is (far) larger than the delta from switching from them to veganism (it's important to note that per grams of protein, dairy is comparable in emmis…

If switching from beef to chicken is an option, and switching from beef to lentils is an option, and you say that switching from beef to chickens is the best option then you are indeed implying that switching from beef to chicken is better than switching from beef to lentils. You need not explicitly state exactly that; it logically follows from what you said. Also you refute the general scientific consensus among all…

>the general scientific consensus

I would advise you to read up on the history of the advice ADA has been giving throughout the years (spoiler alert: they were wrong about fats and complex carbohydrates) before putting your money in that basket that this is the "general scientific consensus". But this is a topic I don't want (or need) to argue about.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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> from what I've been told most of the products just end up being thrown away because nobody is buying them Who told you, and why do you consider them a reliable indicator, for what you imply are all supermarkets across the globe?

thats certainly a false claim. no supermarket would be in business if they were throwing everything away.

Not necessarily, supermarkets have a built in expectation of some loss to spoilage already. A lot of those fake meat products have a pretty long shelf life since they are highly processed/frozen products and tend to be marketed in a very small footprint within the store. They are also priced to counter any spoilage expectation. So low stock requirements, small footprint, and consumer expectation that it’s an expensive product doesn’t really make that a false claim. They also could be considered a loss leader to attract vegan and vegetarians to buy the other vegetarian friendly foods they sell.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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If switching from beef to chicken is an option, and switching from beef to lentils is an option, and you say that switching from beef to chickens is the best option then you are indeed implying that switching from beef to chicken is better than switching from beef to lentils. You need not explicitly state exactly that; it logically follows from what you said. Also you refute the general scientific consensus among all…

>the general scientific consensus I would advise you to read up on the history of the advice ADA has been giving throughout the years (spoiler alert: they were wrong about fats and complex carbohydrates) before putting your money in that basket that this is the "general scientific consensus". But this is a topic I don't want (or need) to argue about.

Well I hope you find it within yourself to consider the arguments you and I have both made and continue your research. I can’t recommend those Kurzgesagt videos enough. They are chock full of peer reviewed research!

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Is your AC on right now?

I don't even have something like that installed. It's obvious what you are trying to do: Make other people seem worse than you are such that you still have your excuse for meat consumption. And for what? As if it would impact your life significantly to remove meat from the ingredients of meals I don't know where you live, but here you don't need to starve without meat even if you don't cook for yourself at all.

Not to wade into a debate here…

> And for what? As if it would impact your life significantly to remove meat from the ingredients of meals

I am 90% carnivore for a specifically health reason, it allows me to manage diabetes without extraneous insulin. So yes, eliminating meat would dramatically impact my life. Most non-meat foodstuffs whether processed or whole cannot provide to me the lack of impact to my blood glucose that meat does.

Also, I slept with the AC on last night.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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If switching from beef to chicken is an option, and switching from beef to lentils is an option, and you say that switching from beef to chickens is the best option then you are indeed implying that switching from beef to chicken is better than switching from beef to lentils. You need not explicitly state exactly that; it logically follows from what you said. Also you refute the general scientific consensus among all…

>the general scientific consensus I would advise you to read up on the history of the advice ADA has been giving throughout the years (spoiler alert: they were wrong about fats and complex carbohydrates) before putting your money in that basket that this is the "general scientific consensus". But this is a topic I don't want (or need) to argue about.

Exactly. “A low fat diet including fruits, pasta, and cereals, supplemented with copious amounts of extraneous insulin.”

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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>the general scientific consensus I would advise you to read up on the history of the advice ADA has been giving throughout the years (spoiler alert: they were wrong about fats and complex carbohydrates) before putting your money in that basket that this is the "general scientific consensus". But this is a topic I don't want (or need) to argue about.

Exactly. “A low fat diet including fruits, pasta, and cereals, supplemented with copious amounts of extraneous insulin.”

But even if we concede that the ADA is entirely untrustworthy, they are only one of many nutrition and dietetic institutions who have officially stated the same thing. That’s why it’s the general consensus, not just the theories of the ADA

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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"I don’t get this appeal of turning goos and veggies into ‘meat’. Just make them their own thing. You don’t rly have to compete with meat." So, people are supposed to go without the comfort food of childhood completely and are supposed to never get some of the textures of these products? I'm not personally a fan of the beyond meat most of the time, but I do use other fake meat from time to time (Quorn, for example, o…

People are free to do whatever they want of course. As a consumer (and investor having lost a significant amount on Beyond Meat), I think this is a pretty bad differentiator as the product always going to be compared to meat instead of being allowed to be its own thing.

What would that be? Something grown in a laboratory is never going to be its own thing in the way that seitan, mushrooms, chickpeas, tofu, etc. are their own thing. Beyond Meat made it difficult for themselves by marketing to mainstream carnivores, who aren't going to be happy with something that isn't at least as good or better. Vegetarians, on the other hand, will be super happy and grateful for anything that comes close.
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