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Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by jtwaleson »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #24
jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

I hope you are aware that "the cloud" is not some secret, mysterious piece of technology that the EU can't figure out. We have software engineers as well as data centers and EU-based cloud companies. Digital consumer networks were established here long before the U.S and the internet was invented here. Your arrogance is grating.

I'm European and I'll happily admit there is no EU alternative to AWS, GCP, Azure. The breadth of services _on_, and the amount of engineers able to work _with_ these platforms is incredible and can't be beat by the likes of Hetzner and OVH. We are so behind that we won't catch up. The arrogance is warranted in this case.

I like privacy, but the business person in me is very frustrated by these GDPR rulings as they make the life of European startups even harder than it already is.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by legalcorrection »

bettysdiagnose wrote: post #38
djohnston wrote: post #7

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If you cared about your fellow citizens, you could have the same. But judging by the hordes of mentally ill people wandering aimlessly around your cities harassing strangers (including visitors such as myself)—you don't.

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by [deleted] »

throw827474737 wrote: post #39
djohnston wrote: post #7

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I think it is more about the US flaunting in everybodies else face once too often that humans are not equal and that even when it comes to very basic rights, there is the US- and the other-human.

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by cortesoft »

solar-ice wrote: post #53
xyzzyz wrote: post #13

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This sword cuts both ways. US can also stop sales of Airbuses, Volkswagens, IKEA furniture etc. under some fishy premise. If EU does that to US companies, why shouldn’t US do it to EU ones? This kind of tit for tat trade war would be a loss to everyone compared to cooperation, but is still preferred to cooperating with a defector.

How on earth is "the US is able to demand personal data of EU citizens without due process" a fishy premise?

Isn’t this the case with all sovereign countries, though? You can never guarantee that a government won’t demand a company in that country to hand over data, that is what it means to be sovereign.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by bettysdiagnose »

plandis wrote: post #74
superchroma wrote: post #55

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Sure, they can champion their own citizens' rights on issues of where and how data is stored, and prevent American user data from being sent offshore in Europe. That would be ideal. :)

It’s not about that. Even if the US copied German law verbatim Germany would just find some other excuse to harm the US. They can’t compete so they unfairly try to prop up their own companies via regulatory means.

That's pure conjecture. Even though this forums is anonymous, I would still be embarrassed to write such baseless nonsense.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by lizardactivist »

blocked_again wrote: post #75

I think this kind of affirms the general opinion that Germany and many traditionally powerful European countries is doing poorly when it comes to modern tech. What went wrong with Germany and Europe? They used to be the front runners in tech once upon a time.

"European countries doing poorly when it comes to modern tech" has never been an opinion.

You're confused, and your petty vindictiveness is unmotivated. The EU as a space of commerce is not yours to do with as you wish. You have to follow rules and regulations just like our own companies have to. And if your country had not been engaging in espionage and sabotage then there would never have been a need for these "unfair" and "underhanded tactics".

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by [deleted] »

blocked_again wrote: post #75

I think this kind of affirms the general opinion that Germany and many traditionally powerful European countries is doing poorly when it comes to modern tech. What went wrong with Germany and Europe? They used to be the front runners in tech once upon a time.

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by solar-ice »

xyzzyz wrote: post #67
solar-ice wrote: post #63

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Pretty sure EU countries cannot in fact (in general) demand personal data of anyone from EU companies without due process. If you can find law to the contrary, let me know.

The warrant is due process.

The procedure and requirements for obtaining a warrant under the CLOUD Act is not sufficient due process according to EU law - which is law which matters when operating a commercial business in the EU.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by mgraczyk »

testaccountfor wrote: post #57
mgraczyk wrote: post #51

Sounds like blatant protectionism to me. If I'm reading the ruling correctly, the relevant legal standard applied here is completely bogus. They find that it is a violation of GDPR because the parent company could access the data, in principle if they wanted to. It doesn't matter if there are safeguards, technical, or institutional preventions in place. However, the exact same argument applies to any EU company with…

US cloud companies can be forced by the US government to spy on European citizens. That's the reasoning behind this ruling. Are you not aware of the NSA spying programs?

Right, that's why I included my last paragraph. EU companies can also be forced by the US government to spy on European citizens. It happens all the time.
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