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A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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> The media claimed bodies were unearthed This is not a "quibble." It's a major falsehood.

Unearth can be used in a literal sense, which in this case is false. It can also be used in a figurative sense, which in this case is almost certainly true.

What kind of journalist uses "unearthed" metaphorically in a story about purported graves?

Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Based on what facts? The tribes negotiated the treaties and negotiated fairly large changes from the governments initial proposals (mainly to do with more monetary funding). Yet, they said little about schooling. Perhaps they didn't know what was going on (and I agree that abuses took place), but the desire for their children to be more European was absolutely there. It is very clearly documented. This is in stark co…

“ Perhaps they didn't know”?! You think the tribes knew about the atrocities and were ok with them?

I have no idea what the tribes knew or did not know. Do you? I am amazed at some people's abilities to read other's minds.

As to the tribal leaders signing the documents. I can understand how the monetary promises given to them by the Canadian government would make them overlook the potential for atrocities yes; such things are well attested to in the history of humanity. But again, I have no idea. You asked me to speculate, so I did.

I don't understand why there is so much outrage today when one expresses that they do not know an unknowable fact.

Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Thank you for posting this. It’s good to be reminded that even people who think they are smart fall into the exact herd behavior built-in to human psychology.

Except it’s wrong and you fell for it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-residential-schools-...

Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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post #64

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Based on what facts? The tribes negotiated the treaties and negotiated fairly large changes from the governments initial proposals (mainly to do with more monetary funding). Yet, they said little about schooling. Perhaps they didn't know what was going on (and I agree that abuses took place), but the desire for their children to be more European was absolutely there. It is very clearly documented. This is in stark co…

“ Perhaps they didn't know”?! You think the tribes knew about the atrocities and were ok with them?

What atrocities, exactly? You’re begging the question. One of the main atrocities we are talking about is forcing the children to adopt European culture.

If you’re simply saying that some bad things happened at these boarding schools… we’ll, yeah. That’s a known reality in all boarding schools. Doesn’t make it ok. But many many people knew about those sorts of things and cared and also didn’t think the solution was to ban boarding schools. (Others, of course, as in all ages, didn’t care.)

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Wait, the article is silent on the cause of death. Are you saying these deaths were just the result of some disease? Everything in the media treatment of these deaths implies mistreatment of the kids. If it was just a virus, particularly in the early days of medicine, this would be a scandal created out of thin air.

Yes, the vast majority of residential school deaths were due to endemic diseases. The primary accusation regarding deaths is that the residential schools had a higher death rate than comparable populations, and the state should have provided more resources and better medical care.

It’s hard to tell without knowing what disease we are talking about. If it was the spanish flu there isn’t much medicine could do then.

Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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This seems like total post-hoc reasoning like the debunked "violent video games cause real-life violence." Ultimately Officer Smith chose to take his own life; no one made that choice for him. He may have been appalled or traumatized or whatever, but ultimately he's the one who did it. Doesn't make it any less tragic, but it's extremely tenuous absent additional evidence to lay blame at anyone but he himself. If ther…

Sorry, I had omitted sourcing in my original comment but here: > Dr. Jonathan Arden, the former Chief Medical Examiner of the District of Columbia was hired by Smith's widow as part of her lawsuit to have her husband's suicide ruled "in the line of duty". His report stated that the "acute, precipitating event that caused the death of Officer Smith was his occupational exposure to the traumatic events he suffered on J…

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Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Thank you for posting this. It’s good to be reminded that even people who think they are smart fall into the exact herd behavior built-in to human psychology.

Except it’s wrong and you fell for it. https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-residential-schools-...

What are you claiming to be wrong?
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