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Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Unpopular opinion incoming: the concept of insider trading is stupid, and even more stupid applied to cryptocurrency. People will always find ways to profit from privileged information. The least careful ones will just keep getting caught while the most careful reap the rewards and get away with it. Cryptocurrency isn't even a regulated asset, how can someone be 'insider trading' it? What insider trading really means…

This is a psycho take. We banned insider trading. Allowing insider trading would obviously help the ruling class. CEOs cannot insider trade. And obviously we should just ban congress to trade stocks.

>CEOs cannot insider trade

Well, they do. All the time. And they get away with it.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

#83
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Note that they were charged for wire fraud and wire fraud conspiracy. So not for actual Section 10(b) violations, aka insider trading.

This may sound like a dumb question, but as a foreigner, I have no idea what wire fraud actually means, but I hear it pretty often. The explanation I found “Mail fraud and wire fraud are terms used to describe the use of a physical or electronic mail system to defraud another” doesn’t really help me further, other than it just being “fraud”. What would be the difference between insider trading and fraud, in this spec…

The federal government effectively needs "legal fictions" in order to prosecute at the state level.

The way it prosecutes fraud here is by observing that it's over electronic wires which cross state lines.

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post #38

Note that they were charged for wire fraud and wire fraud conspiracy. So not for actual Section 10(b) violations, aka insider trading.

Curious about what would have happened had the protagonist managed to board the flight to India and get there ? Would the SEC and Coinbase been able to extradite or do anything then ?

Asking for a friend? Or did you mean antagonist?

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Didn’t a handful of Coinbase employees make out like bandits before Ethereum was listed? What’s changed since then?

You might be thinking of Charlie Lee? Charlie Lee joined Coinbase, wash traded Litecoin [1] to give the appearance of wider interest and volume in order to get Litecoin listed on Coinbase, and promptly dumped all his bags at the peak.

[1] https://i.redd.it/u9vhbxvr63t71.jpg

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insider trading laws don't mean anything. Person X can send encrypted messages to person Y who lives half way around the world to make a trade and they will be near impossible to discover unless person X is surveilled. Even then, person Y can just get away with it.

Just because you can get away with a crime doesnt mean its not a real crime

That's not my point. Insider trading is so easy that anybody with privileged information can do it and even get away with it if they're cautious. Instead of working tirelessly just to catch the sloppy 1% we should reform the market so that nobody has an advantage because of what they know.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not confirmed to be illegal until they get a conviction. So we will find out! It will be an interesting case. I'd wager they do get convicted but we'll see.

There are two seperate questions: 1) Do the alledged facts meet the legal requirements for the crimes charged? 2) Are the alledged facts true? A trial is focused on question 2. A jury is called on to make a determination of the facts of the case, they will be instructed on what is/isn't illegal and not expected to make any decision regarding questions of law. Question 1 can be answered in summary judgment before you…

A jury can decide if something _should_ be illegal and base their verdict on that. Meaning that the jury is also considering point 1 and whether this specific case should be illegal, regardless of how clear the law is on the subject.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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It talks volumes about the internal controls at CB that it took a tweet to expose this. Given the speed with which they grew last two years I expect their financial and security processes to be next to nothing. This is just tip of an iceberg. Insiders would have made tens of millions over last two years of bull run, if not more. This dude just got greedy and unlucky to get caught just as the crypto bubble began burst…

I was surprised to see the CSO replying to the tweet. I do agree with you, but do you think that was more for the PR and they knew about it or no way?

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

#90

It talks volumes about the internal controls at CB that it took a tweet to expose this. Given the speed with which they grew last two years I expect their financial and security processes to be next to nothing. This is just tip of an iceberg. Insiders would have made tens of millions over last two years of bull run, if not more. This dude just got greedy and unlucky to get caught just as the crypto bubble began burst…

A lot of people suspect there's ""official"" insider trading at the exchanges; there's no reason for the exchange not to front-run orders or fake the order book if they think they can get away with it. Or trade against heavily leveraged positions to liquidate them. Or prop-trade with the customers' money.
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