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RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by latexr »

detaro wrote: post #16
NelsonMinar wrote: post #15

Don't call it a comeback! There's still this lurking mess of RSS 0.91 vs 1.0 vs 2.0 vs Atom. As one of the folks involved in creating Atom I'm frustrated with the outcome. These days it'd probably be JSON, right?

There is JSONFeed, but that was pretty much a flash in the pan.

> that was pretty much a flash in the pan.

I’ll repurpose an older comment[1]. It was in response to “I doubt very much [JSON feeds] will catch on”.

> There’s little incentive for websites to change to JSON feeds when their RSS feeds are already implemented, working well, and generated automatically. But several good RSS readers added support for JSON feeds when the format was introduced and that’s all you need for it to be viable; it isn’t important if it “catches on” after that when the flexibility is there.

> JSON feeds were great for me because I generate my own feeds for personal consumption and can now do so with simpler code. I understand I’m in a minority—most people consume feeds and never create their own—but the larger point is JSON feeds may have already done their job: they exist and are supported if you need them.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30777477

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by cxr »

adamrezich wrote: post #14
tootie wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RSS is still the default distribution system for podcasts. It's probably the thin thread that is keeping Spotify from building a walled garden for audio.

Spotify is in fact intending to move away from RSS, as a means of creating a walled garden: https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/08/spotify-hypes-the-revenue-... > […] The company spent a good portion of its presentation specifically focused on podcasts, which it said had been “largely unchanged” for years before its entry into the market, due to the limitations of RSS. > Spotify cited how unbundling podcasts from RSS tech…

The entire framing of this (esp. re "unbundling") is pretty gross. Unbundling is associated with disintermediation. What Spotify is doing is the opposite. What organizational dysfunction led to the circumstances here—where the writers and editors of the linked article uncritically publish and more or less legitimize this kind of shameless corporate spin?

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by yokoprime »

amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

NetNewsWire has been my goto last couple of years. It's fantastic, and you cannot beat the price (free and open source)

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by acdw »

powersnail wrote: post #26

RSS has been alive this whole time. Blogs usually have it by default, the big news organizations have it. The only thing I'm not satisfied with reading news on RSS, is that news organizations push too many articles, to the point that reading the headlines alone takes quite some time. There's nearly 100 articles per day per source sometimes. Unlike a newspaper, which has a natural structure of priority and hierarchy,…

I had this problem too, until I installed and configured sfeed[1] on my server --- now it's all on one page, and much less "push-y" :P

[1]: https://codemadness.org/sfeed-simple-feed-parser.html

(You can see my setup at https://acdw.casa/planet)

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by Ajedi32 »

cxr wrote: post #79
pentagrama wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Podcasts give you the RSS link of every podcast https://imgur.com/a/bmgzCFb

Note that the Google Podcasts mobile app differs greatly from the site at podcasts.google.com. When accessing Google Podcasts through the latter, the feed URL is encoded in a base-64 variant that you have to resort to extracting from Google's show page URL and descrambling. If you want to export your feed list, this can be tedious. (Made worse by how top-heavy the Google Podcasts site is just to load a page.)

> If you want to export your feed list, this can be tedious

Does Google Takeout support Google Podcasts? That'd be the usual method of exporting everything from a Google product.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by cxr »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #86
cxr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the Google Podcasts mobile app differs greatly from the site at podcasts.google.com. When accessing Google Podcasts through the latter, the feed URL is encoded in a base-64 variant that you have to resort to extracting from Google's show page URL and descrambling. If you want to export your feed list, this can be tedious. (Made worse by how top-heavy the Google Podcasts site is just to load a page.)

> If you want to export your feed list, this can be tedious Does Google Takeout support Google Podcasts? That'd be the usual method of exporting everything from a Google product.

> Does Google Takeout support Google Podcasts?

Nope. One of the few use cases where I actually looked towards Google Takeout as an escape hatch for my data, instead of a mere novelty ("a ZIP of all my YouTube interactions—that's neat, I guess"), but Google Podcasts is not there. I've filed several complaints about this and several other shortcomings in response to the Google Podcasts app's spammy notifications requesting feedback.

I ended up writing a short set of procedures to follow (an SOP—written like a software manual, really) that walks you through how to select page elements that are shown on screen while logged in, and then drag and drop them from the podcasts.google.com tab into the "export tool". The punchline is that the export tool is just the SOP document itself. It's meant to be read in your browser, and it takes advantage of the fact that the browser also happens to be a universal runtime...

The exporter will descramble the links and output your subscriptions in text/uri-list format.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by Kye »

mpclark wrote: post #19
rambambram wrote: post #8

> RSS and advertising never really made good bedfellows. Isn't Feedburner part of Google nowadays? I remember reading somewhere that they inject ads in the feeds.

Feedburner is a zombie product now, and has been for a few years.

They did at least clean out services that had been dead for 15 years.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by mxuribe »

aendruk wrote: post #33

A timely observation. I’ve just been setting up the /feed command for ops notifications in a local tech group’s Matrix space.

I've been using a little matrix app of my own making that sends notificatins to a specific matrix room when big jobs complete. Its nothing fancy (and conceptually not different than slack notifications), and sysadmins have been leveraging email for the same exact purpose...but i like me some matrix...plus, said same matrix room can be made to receive other/outside notifications too; win-win!
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