When I lived in NL, I took a trip to Maastricht which is a beautiful place right in the South and tried a popular local dish - Zoervleis[0] which is traditionally horse meat. It was delicious. It always amuses me that when I tell this story, it's often met with disgust - even by meat-eaters! "But, how could you eat horse! They're so nice!". Yeah... you eat beef, have you ever met a cow up close? They're also lovely c…
You also get this reaction if you declare having eaten what I would call secondary meats (rabbit, duck, lamb).
Eating horsemeat in France
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Re: Eating horsemeat in France
#82When I lived in NL, I took a trip to Maastricht which is a beautiful place right in the South and tried a popular local dish - Zoervleis[0] which is traditionally horse meat. It was delicious. It always amuses me that when I tell this story, it's often met with disgust - even by meat-eaters! "But, how could you eat horse! They're so nice!". Yeah... you eat beef, have you ever met a cow up close? They're also lovely c…
The psychology of eating animals is definitely a great example of how people compartmentalize and simply avoid thinking about the details too much in order to evade cognitive dissonance. Which is also why so many respond with hostility when prompted to do so. (Disclaimer: I'm an omnivore.)
Re: Eating horsemeat in France
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Not the OP, but I'm in the US and.. it's complicated. I would say, in general, meats like lamb and, especially, veal have fallen out of favor due to the perceived poor conditions and youth of the animals. Rabbit isn't common in the US (it's not generally available in stores) but the "cuteness" factor plays a role here as well. This has changed since the 80's when lamb and veal were more popularly consumed. I'm guessi…
Lamb is completely common - you can buy it at Costco for crying out loud. Heck, I even had some at a FAANG cafeteria the other day. Lamb’s consumption is not unusual in the US, and is completely unrelated to the veal issue.
Re: Eating horsemeat in France
#84Eating horse meat was very common in central Europe before the big wars. In WWI and WWII even more so, horses were declared essential for the war in axis countries, and eating them became illegal. In Italy horse meat picked right up again after WWII, but in Austria and Germany people forgot about the reasons it seems and it stayed unacceptable/frowned upon. You can find (excellent) horse meat products in western Aust…
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#86When I was a kid at school (France, late 70's), eating horse meat was something heard of. Not the kind of may you could eat everyday but you would see some at the butcher's (au least in the western suburbs of Paris). I never had some at the school canteen (I think). Fast forward 40 years, same city. There is no horse meat anywhere. Eating some is unheard of. I just asked my teenage children: they never heard of it (a…
Depends on the region. You can buy here in every shop rosbif Alsacien which is horse meat.
Out of curiosity - is rosbif Alsacien something that you would usually buy?(putting aside the price - I am just looking for statistical preferences in taste and provenance)
Re: Eating horsemeat in France
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> It’s also quite expensive which can make sense because scarcity, but not make sense since the demand must be fairly low. If demand is highly inelastic - as would be expected for something like culinary preferences - then price actually has to increase when demand is low: if you can sell to 3 people at 20$ or 5 people at 10$, you're losing money by decreasing your price.
> If demand is highly inelastic - as would be expected for something like culinary preferences Demand curves, regardless of elasticity, are always downward sloping: Higher prices lead to fewer units demanded. Your statement implies control over prices: Firms with market power do not operate along the inelastic portion of a demand curve. This is a logical implication of profit maximization. Before one can understand t…
So, when you realize you're already selling the maximum possible amount of your good, you're only option to increase profit is to increase your prices.
If your market reduces even further (say, 10% of the people buying your horse meat die of old age), you will often have to increase price even more to try to keep the profit you were making. Especially with goods like meat, where the supply side is also inelastic (you can't produce half a horse, you butcher a whole horse or you don't butcher it at all).
For niche culinary products, this type of extremely limited market can actually exist. I'd bet if you were allowed to sell mouse meat, you would quickly get to know every single person in London who wants to eat mouse meat.
Of course, I'm not claiming that demand will not be reduced by price. You can't charge a million dollars per kilo of horse meat. But you also can't expect to increase sales volume for certain niche goods past a point, regardless of price.
Edit: this is also often visible in the price of seasonal specialties. For example, in my country, lamb is only commonly eaten for Easter. So, demand for lamb spikes around Easter every year. But, lamb prices actually drop around Easter (at least for consumers) - the rest of the year, lamb is only sold at high prices for the few people who consider it a delicacy. But around Easter, as demand increases for cultural reasons, competing on price starts making sense and price drops just as demand rises.
Re: Eating horsemeat in France
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lamb is completely common - you can buy it at Costco for crying out loud. Heck, I even had some at a FAANG cafeteria the other day. Lamb’s consumption is not unusual in the US, and is completely unrelated to the veal issue.
My SO who lived for a time in the UK refuses to eat lamb in the US because "it's terrible." Apparently lamb in the UK is the gold standard for quality.
Re: Eating horsemeat in France
#89It's the first time I see a picture of edible meat and feel repulsed by it. Interesting. Bit of background about me: I really like horses. They're friends to me. I see why people eat them, but that just sounds wrong, just writing it. I... I guess I understand why vegetarians don't like meat, now.
I’m not here to judge anyone for eating meat, despite being vegetarian, but I agree with the other comments here, if you eat cows or pigs or sheep or chickens then why not cockatoos or horses or dogs (or feral cats, which are consumed in some parts of Australia)? I don’t eat any of these creatures, but nevertheless, I just don’t get why certain animals seem to be culturally off limits for those who do eat meat. Is it…
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
The psychology of eating animals is definitely a great example of how people compartmentalize and simply avoid thinking about the details too much in order to evade cognitive dissonance. Which is also why so many respond with hostility when prompted to do so. (Disclaimer: I'm an omnivore.)
tbh i dont get why people arent ok eating horse or dog. i've had both and they're fine, like why is this a problem? i will be the first to call out veganism but i also have literally been lectured by meat eaters about how me eating those 2 is wrong and then they have eaten a burger or steak in the same day .
Dogs are known for forming such strong connections to their humans. On the spectrum between farmed-for-food and totally-off-limits, it's not hard to guess where we would put dogs.
It's just like indians and cows. Cows have a special place in their culture, therefore they don't eat beef.