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Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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> Eh, a lot of it is simply that society doesn't really punish non violent bad behaviour and gives you nothing for integrity. I assume you're not religious, then? The prevailing view seems to be that the punishment for an amoral life will come when it's too late for apologies or take-backs.

I am not, but unless the religion is corporatism, I am a fairly unremarkable sinner. Doing a poor job in adtech doesn't seem like a burn in hell offense.

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Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I'm looking for advice on a similar issue. Somebody is impersonating me on dating sites and blackmailing women. They convince their victims to send nude photos, and then they threaten to send the photos to their families. The scammer (or scammers) use photos of me that used to be publicly available on social media. They also use my real name, presumably so that the victims see a legitimate LinkedIn profile when they…

I had a similar problem, except he raped a woman (convinced her to come to an address, come inside, all lights off, no talking). She contacted me via LinkedIn when he ghosted her. Got police involved but took 18 months to get all the information lined up from bumble and Snapchat (ie phone numbers etc). He was deported for domestic violence before they could arrest him.

Trying to get plenty of fish, bumble, tinder to respond was impossible.

Since there were very few photos of me publicly available online I feel I should be able to blacklist photos of me to these providers so people can’t use prepackaged profiles of me.

After he was deported, I was messaged by about 15 women in the US who were catfished by the same profile(s).

I feel there is some forum somewhere where people pass around these prepackaged profiles of people who they feel are good ‘candidates’ to impersonate.

Really disturbing

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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Just wanted chime in with second a second anecdote that I was going to post. We needed a Django developer. Put an ad on Upwork at the high end of the recommended salary range. The ad specified US Eligible worker for legal reasons. Of the 10 or so applicants, seven flat out refused to appear on webcam so I decided to talk to the eighth. This person claim to be in Seattle. Having lived there I asked them two relatively…

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"forging a resume and doing the interview for him"

Um ... surely when he showed up to work and he wasn't YOU ... there were some questions?

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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We have one (or more) people posting ads impersonating us hiring translators on Upwork and in Facebook groups. The scam seems to be they "hire" the person, give them work, and then never pay them.

Having zero cost of goods sold makes it possible to undercut on prices and pay for all your acquisition and still make a buck. Doesn't seem scalable or sustainable, but it has been a real nuisance for us. Translators are contacting us for their payment...

Upwork has not been willing to help us at all. They pull the ads quickly so by the time support clicks the link, the ad is down. They act as if it didn't happen if the link doesn't still work. Crazy.

There is a lot of fraud out there. Anything you can imagine and then quite a bit you can't if you don't spend your time thinking about how to screw others.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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Sure, but, frankly? That is a form of psychopathy. Please don't take that offensively. I'm not throwing the word around. I don't mean "evil". I don't think it's "evil", I'm even jealous. Not just of money. Of the rationality. The rest of us don't do this stuff because we'd feel horribly bad for doing it, to the point benefits would outweigh the costs. I'd hazard a guess that most people would also say it was fine giv…

Let me give you a new perspective. You get to see your dying father for just one week as that is all the vacation time you have left and you cannot just walk away from your job due to house/kids/etc. Happened to a friend. Father had 6 months to live. He got 1 week with him in that time. Pile of cash lets you walk away. How horrible will that make you feel to not get to spend that time with him? My employer, who I wil…

Since you mentioned taking time off, how does that work for you with three jobs?

I would do the same as you if oprimozimg for income. But I tend to optimize for free time rather than income. So I take 4-5 months of PTO a year at one "full time" job which takes ~15 hours/week. (TC > $400k)

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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Congrats, you're the problem.

I fully agree. But society sends no signal that I am a problem beyond outrage when I admit it. Nobody would admonish me for being exactly the same without me mentioning it to them.

I disagree. Start your own business and you'll see the pain that this kind of shenanigans causes.

Your problem is your lack of experience is also giving you a lack of empathy.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I got burned by something like this. I hired an editor (not on Upwork) who had worked for a number of very famous authors (people you've heard of, people who've sold millions of copies). They did a fantastic sample edit, and the quality of the work dropped off precipitously by about the 20% point of the manuscript. The best-case scenario is that they just didn't care, because I'm a nobody and because of the novel's l…

> However, there's a lot of forensic evidence suggesting that they farmed the edit out to more than one person (which would explain the inconsistent apparent level of skill and care). I'm sorry about your experience. But you might be interested in knowing that that phenomenon goes way back -- a lot of the "old masters" paintings were done by apprentice artists working under some level of supervision from the "named"…

It's also literally the modus operandi of every consulting firm ever; bring in the A team to sell and seal the deal, and then farm it off to the lowest possible team they can find.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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How do you justify the morality of this action to yourself?

I don't view it as a moral question. My employer doesn't view hiring or firing me or rewarding me as a moral one. I just treat myself like top shareholder of my own company.

Why don't you view it as a moral question?

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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> Second, what color is the bubbly music museum next door? Obviously, this is a trick given it’s multicolored. I went to the Space Needle three years ago and I wouldn't be able to answer that question. I wouldn't assume that someone who lives in Seattle goes through the Space Needle area on a daily basis; it's quite touristy. This comes from someone who lives in touristy areas. Ask me what color a building is next to…

The point is, if he can see the needle out his window right now, he can just look out the window to look at the building next door.

Or use Google street view.

Re: Tell HN: Upwork has an impersonation problem

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I don't view it as a moral question. My employer doesn't view hiring or firing me or rewarding me as a moral one. I just treat myself like top shareholder of my own company.

I admire your anonymous candor.

I'd call it cowardice since he's hiding behind a pseudonym. Let him tell his employers what's going on and see if he feels the same way.

As my grandmother used to say, "If you have to hide it, it's probably wrong."

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