Never thought all those "systemd is turning Linux into Windows" jokes would age like wine, yet here we are.
> age like wine No pun intended?
Oh, I hope that was intented! ;)
Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft
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#82Am I the only one who finds that weird that the author of this piece purportedly a journalist relies on twitter and rumours rather than you know email or call Pottering to ask him what he is doing? Is Phoronix supposed to be taken seriously?
Frankly no. I don't mean to denigrate, but Phoronix is generally not seen as all that great a source of good journalism. He did say he at least tried to confirm this news however.
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#83The snobby attitude about Microsoft on HN makes no sense to me
Lots of people hate MS because of their monopolistic practices in the past.
Myself, I always despised the company because of the complete shit quality of their software, starting with DOS. That was a pile of crap from day 1, and while much has changed since then, you can still see the complete disregard for quality in so much of what they do.
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#84As someone who thinks PulseAudio is conceptually flawed, I don't really get the way old linuxers hate on systemd. I mean ok, from a user perspective certain common things in systemd could have been friendlier, but I always got the things I needed to work and it is clearly a powerful system. While I don't really like the way Poettering handles projects, I think nobody who does open source software deserves that kind o…
>The same greybeard friend of mine who still complains on systemd happily adopted pipewire.
Pipewire is not from Poettering. He did Pulseaudio, which is so terrible it inspired the folks to write Pipewire to replace it.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
They’ve worked very very hard in the past to extinguish and annihilate a lot of the values HN stands for. Either you’re too young or didn’t follow tech back then but MS and Gates truly did evil moves to try and kill any and all competition, especially Linux and open source. Many of us remember.
That was the bad old days. Things got better under Nadella. Just like they got steadily more evil at Google. There are no big corporations you can trust in the long term, but at least MS is behaving reasonably well right now.
> Things got better under Nadella
I will believe that once they will sell Office for linux packaged in flatpak and 1:1 feature parity with windows version.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
They’ve worked very very hard in the past to extinguish and annihilate a lot of the values HN stands for. Either you’re too young or didn’t follow tech back then but MS and Gates truly did evil moves to try and kill any and all competition, especially Linux and open source. Many of us remember.
That was the bad old days. Things got better under Nadella. Just like they got steadily more evil at Google. There are no big corporations you can trust in the long term, but at least MS is behaving reasonably well right now.
once you discard the friendly appearing PR ("Microsoft <3 Linux") they're behaving exactly the same as they always have
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#87As a NixOS user, I love systemd
I'm interested in NixOS but it only supports systemd. Seriously, init systems like OpenRC do one thing and do it well. Where have I heard that before?
NixOS doesn't follow the UNIX philosophy in many ways, especially when it comes to systemd. If you want NixOS you will have to use systemd and embrace it. Otherwise you can go the Guix route and try to make the most out of the much inferior ecosystem.
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#88Agent Poettering, welcome back. You've done tremendous work for us. *I actually don't care strongly about systemd one way or the other but couldn't resist the joke
I don't know why the hate, both systemd and Pulseaudio are great, at least better than what was before them and improved Linux desktop quite a bit.
Pulseaudio created a lot of pain when it first arrived, since it had a ton of teething problems. It doesn't have logical defaults even today.
However, Pipewire just worked without any problems and smoothly the day it landed.
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#89As someone who thinks PulseAudio is conceptually flawed, I don't really get the way old linuxers hate on systemd. I mean ok, from a user perspective certain common things in systemd could have been friendlier, but I always got the things I needed to work and it is clearly a powerful system. While I don't really like the way Poettering handles projects, I think nobody who does open source software deserves that kind o…
>The same greybeard friend of mine who still complains on systemd happily adopted pipewire. Pipewire is not from Poettering. He did Pulseaudio, which is so terrible it inspired the folks to write Pipewire to replace it.
People keep talking about how terrible Pulse is for them, but my decades of experience using Linux desktop recalls that for whatever faults Pulse might have it was a huge improvement over the shitshow that was Linux audio before it.
Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft
#90As someone who thinks PulseAudio is conceptually flawed, I don't really get the way old linuxers hate on systemd. I mean ok, from a user perspective certain common things in systemd could have been friendlier, but I always got the things I needed to work and it is clearly a powerful system. While I don't really like the way Poettering handles projects, I think nobody who does open source software deserves that kind o…
> The same greybeard friend of mine who still complains on systemd happily adopted pipewire. Why? Because he saw a clear benefit in doing so and nobody forced this onto him.
I still use OpenRC + ALSA (with apulse for those programs that shit on backwards compatibility) and I too am looking at PipeWire. Beyond the not being forced aspect and actually adding something that is useful (to me), PipeWire also seems to take much more care about working with existing programs/interfaces rather then wanting to get them on the shiny new API.