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EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by sylware »

big tech does not want simple, but good enough to do the job, and stable in time protocols to interoperate with. Force the big to interoperate with the small, and not let the big crush the small, this is one of the whys of regulation.

For instance, in the case of the web: noscript/basic (x)html. With basic (x)html forms, you can browse tiled maps, do shopping, interact with the online administration service, etc. With the and element, the noscript/basic (x)html browsers can pass an URL to an external media player, what seems missing is the type of streaming. I don't know if you can specify the type of the href, HLS/mpeg DASH/etc, kind of a mime type for those. Then the ability to seek into a big video should be standardized, very probably an URL parameter to do this, at least per mime types if those exists, like t=xxhxxmxxsxxxms.

Those are extremely simple, do not require those horrible web engines and are enough to do the job.

The current javascript-ed web engines are insane and beyond sanity bloats (SDK included), locked-in by gogol/apple/mozilla via complexity and size.

The real hard work is into "securing" those "simple" sites against corpo(=state?) sponsored hackers to make those not work and promote corpo-locked software and protocols. That could be idiotic hackers pushing the web to use those corpo-locked software and protocols.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by j-pb »

ericmay wrote: post #67
izacus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now you'll be able to choose WHILE still keep using iOS which is much better for you as a consumer. This being bad for "regular people" is typical monopolistic corporate scaremongering. Apple has proven that they're more than capable of providing secure devices that provide choice with their MacBook series.

Kind of. So the primary issue is that Apple collectively bargains on behalf of customers against developers. So if you take something like privacy rights, Apple can say "hey, we've got all of these users and if you want to participate in the ecosystem you have to not track their data" - as an example. Now what happens is that companies like Facebook and others who really want to get your data without that pesky Apple…

Except that we didn't get our apps.

I'm still waiting to be able to use my iPad to write code.

To be able to use the iPad as a platform for tools that contain their own WASM ecosystem of user purchase-able plugins.

To use a browser on iPhone and iPad that is actually secure.

iPhone and iPad are little addiction machines, with little value for productive work that goes beyond email and powerpoint. These legislations give us a fighting chance of regaining the quality of 00s personal computers, with advanced 20s technology.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by yxhuvud »

nuker wrote: post #69

> Share data and metrics with developers and competitors, I will quit Apple. Wait … Google is worse … :(

It will be interesting to see what that refers to in particular. Remember we also have GDPR that restricts what data is allowed to be collected.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by VyseofArcadia »

I really hope Sony and Nintendo are classified as gatekeepers as well because this

> Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet.

would be huge for Playstation and Switch owners.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by philliphaydon »

toyg wrote: post #62
kmlx wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No more forced crappy webkit browser engine in iOS. you know this just means more chrome right? > Messanger interop is also nice, when done right: basically would need a shared standard like the web that is done by a messaging consortium like the W3. we went thru this before. didn’t work then, won’t work now.

This actually opens a race to be the best mobile browser, which might well see new entrants. As people increasingly use their mobiles as primary devices, they are more likely to move to a new browser on mobile platforms and then adapt their desktops to that choice, rather than the other way around as they did in the past. Current mobile browsers have historical baggage that a new entrant would not need to carry.

> This actually opens a race to be the best mobile browser, which might well see new entrants.

Hahhahahhahahahaha. We will end up with chrome. And developers targeting chrome and safari users being left out because “works best in chrome for my text based website that doesn’t do anything safari can’t do”.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by Hamuko »

sph wrote: post #6

Happy that I might be able to install something else than Safari. I want the Gecko engine on iOS. Sad that being in UK probably means we'll ignore it because "Brexit." I got a text the other day telling me that, since we've left the EU, roaming charges are back. Hurray! Without making this about politics, this is a great step forward. Still unsure how Apple & co. will make their proprietary video and messaging platfo…

>Still unsure how Apple & co. will make their proprietary video and messaging platforms "interoperable". I doubt they'll be writing an RFC any time soon.

I'd be pretty happy if I could integrate iMessage and Signal together, since I hate the fact that iMessage is the only messaging platform with a native macOS app.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by s1k3s »

I can't make up my mind if this is good or bad. On one hand, FAANG has a huge advantage over anyone else on the market, but they did build that product and they did spend their own money to do it.

I'd be curious if there are any other occurrences in history of something so big ending up regulated by the government?

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by weberer »

kmlx wrote: post #27
dijit wrote: post #18

I'm personally very happy with Safari slowing down the over-arching progress of "Web browsers are an application distribution platform", but I definitely see the value in this. I am very excited about the prospect of having federation between communication platforms... imagine sending messages from iMessage to whatsapp?! great, just like in the mid-00's!

> great, just like in the mid-00's! funnily enough i was working on apps that did this back in the mid 00s. it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up. in the end it was better for the end user not use those standards and instead we rolled our own. could be different story today but i don’t think so. just the video call feature would be an absolute mess to standardise. hell,…

>it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up.

The best chat application I ever used was Pidgin circa 2008. It was so easy to be able to talk to all my friends across several different protocols in a single program.

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