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Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#81

This looks very similar to the design[0] by Stuff Made Here (and collaborative hardening [1] suggestions by Lock Picking Lawyer)…an excellent set of videos. https://youtu.be/2A2NY29iQdI https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ

There’s also a lock on that channel he can’t pick - the bowley I think? It has a wild key design.

I think he has a whole box full of locks he can't pick. He usually doesn't show a lock until he has mastered picking it.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#83

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+1. LPL has disproven the claims of many "unpickable" locks. If computer security has taught me anything, unhackable/impenetrable claims, cyber or physical, should be met with skepticism.

I have always said "if someone made it, someone can break it" Nothing is unhackable/impenetrable. period.

Darn right there.

Is it can be opened with a key, there's nothing stopping something else emulating that key - even if resorting to brute force until the key pattern matches.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

#84
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What's the threat model? Does this lock secure a location that has no windows? Can a sledgehammer be used to open the door? Ok, so maybe covert entry is harder. Do you care THAT much about covert entry? If you care that much about covert entry, do you also have video monitoring? Security solutions need to be used in context.

besides the fact that dragging a sledgehammer into the department of defense is really obvious. And that hitting something with a sledge or smashing a window would both activate alarms, and just, be really loud regardless. Yes, there is places without windows and with reinforced doors Even setting that aside, impressioning attacks require only seconds at a doorway for each step in the process, this defeats that attac…

> bump keys only requires ~30 seconds if you are lucky, this defeats that

Agreed - this is exactly the threat model that I'd be looking to block as a purchaser. Had a friend show me how to pick a cheap lock in < 30 seconds - it was laughably easy.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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post #47

What's the threat model? Does this lock secure a location that has no windows? Can a sledgehammer be used to open the door? Ok, so maybe covert entry is harder. Do you care THAT much about covert entry? If you care that much about covert entry, do you also have video monitoring? Security solutions need to be used in context.

Well by your own logic you shouldn’t need a secure password for anything either since you can beaten with a stick.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Ah! Thanks! Gotta love the description: The Community Disc pick Blah blah blah blah Lock picking lawyer blah blah blah Bosnian Bill blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Over a year blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Pandemic blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so many emails blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Isolation blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah back on…

What is that referencing?

It's copy-pasted from the description on the webpage :D

I was definitely not expecting that either.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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I have always said "if someone made it, someone can break it" Nothing is unhackable/impenetrable. period.

Darn right there. Is it can be opened with a key, there's nothing stopping something else emulating that key - even if resorting to brute force until the key pattern matches.

Right, but just like with e.g. cryptography, you need to make it more expensive to crack than whatever it's protecting.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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I have always said "if someone made it, someone can break it" Nothing is unhackable/impenetrable. period.

Darn right there. Is it can be opened with a key, there's nothing stopping something else emulating that key - even if resorting to brute force until the key pattern matches.

Well yea, you could blow it apart with explosives, melt it with acid, or beat the key holder with a wrench until he gave you the key. But I think the idea around "picking" is to nondestructively operate the lock without using the key it is designed for or a copy of such.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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post #81

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There’s also a lock on that channel he can’t pick - the bowley I think? It has a wild key design.

I think he has a whole box full of locks he can't pick. He usually doesn't show a lock until he has mastered picking it.

He showed the Bowley before he could pick it. Although he claims that box is locks he can't pick yet.
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