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Re: The Modos Paper Monitor

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Post by bayindirh »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #80
bayindirh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OLED displays cannot replace E-ink displays. Even reading on dark backgrounds with OLED tires my eyes the same way using an IPS panel. Nothing can replace the dynamics of an e-ink display as of today.

Sharp's Memory LCD comes pretty close. It's a high contrast LCD with a reflective back layer that mimics paper and has very low power consumption. But I believe it's only available on small sizes, and it's a one-bit display (no greyscale). This screen is used in Panic's Playdate game console as well as the Pebble smartwatch. https://sharpdevices.com/memory-lcd/#1615975689583-4d044034-... https://www.adafruit.com/prod…

That looks really interesting. It's really useful in some applications, I can see that. Thanks for sharing.

Re: The Modos Paper Monitor

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Post by FullyFunctional »

robinsoh wrote: post #75
FullyFunctional wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be hard to miss as it’s required to display anything. However, most dev kits come with a controller which embeds a [proprietary] set of waveforms. That however leaves you with conservative implementations and far from state-of-the-art.

> most dev kits come with a controller which embeds a [proprietary] set of waveforms. That however leaves you with conservative implementations and far from state-of-the-art. Please clarify what dev kits you are referring to. What do you mean state-of-the-art?

There's a lots of dev kits, but take for example https://shopkits.eink.com/product/ice-driving-board/

State of the art (at least a two years ago): Dasung Paperlike HD-F and reMarkable 2.

You'll not get the performance the those two with a dev kit like the one I linked.

Disclaimer: owns too many eInk devices (including Dasung Paperlike HD-F and the truly reMarkable 2), but haven't implemented any of this myself.

Re: The Modos Paper Monitor

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Post by yencabulator »

londons_explore wrote: post #11

So... The downside of eink is: To set a pixel to anything other than white or black requires a distracting and time consuming pattern of white and black flashes. But... There exists multiple different patterns of flashes that end up with the same grey scale shade. So the logical solution seems to therefore be for neighbouring pixels to use different flash patterns such that when viewed from a distance the flashes are…

> To set a pixel to anything other than white or black requires a distracting and time consuming pattern of white and black flashes.

Meanwhile, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2mP23IvraI&t=30s

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dont-buy-e-reader-upcoming-tec...

Re: The Modos Paper Monitor

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Post by robinsoh »

FullyFunctional wrote: post #82
robinsoh wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most dev kits come with a controller which embeds a [proprietary] set of waveforms. That however leaves you with conservative implementations and far from state-of-the-art. Please clarify what dev kits you are referring to. What do you mean state-of-the-art?

There's a lots of dev kits, but take for example https://shopkits.eink.com/product/ice-driving-board/ State of the art (at least a two years ago): Dasung Paperlike HD-F and reMarkable 2. You'll not get the performance the those two with a dev kit like the one I linked. Disclaimer: owns too many eInk devices (including Dasung Paperlike HD-F and the truly reMarkable 2), but haven't implemented any of this myself.

> There's a lots of dev kits, but take for example https://shopkits.eink.com/product/ice-driving-board/

Are you saying the ICE driving board hardcodes waveforms? Where do you see that stated?

Re: The Modos Paper Monitor

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Post by FullyFunctional »

robinsoh wrote: post #84
FullyFunctional wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lots of dev kits, but take for example https://shopkits.eink.com/product/ice-driving-board/ State of the art (at least a two years ago): Dasung Paperlike HD-F and reMarkable 2. You'll not get the performance the those two with a dev kit like the one I linked. Disclaimer: owns too many eInk devices (including Dasung Paperlike HD-F and the truly reMarkable 2), but haven't implemented any of this myself.

> There's a lots of dev kits, but take for example https://shopkits.eink.com/product/ice-driving-board/ Are you saying the ICE driving board hardcodes waveforms? Where do you see that stated?

I didn't say that, but I don't see the waveform they use documented and I didn't see it documented how to make your own and/or replace the one the dev kit is using.

It seems you think I'm wrong, great! Please share how and why.

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