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Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by grishka »

hda111 wrote: post #26
DrBazza wrote: post #7

Having lived through the MS/IE6 era of being the monopoly web browser, and effectively determined and held back web standards for a long time, it's bittersweet that we now have Google/Chrome era. At least it's not hard wired into the OS and we're not going through another era of mega-corp hard wiring browsers into their OSes any more. Oh wait.

Look like browsers can only exist as monopoly.

All the standards required to render the modern web are too complex to be implemented from scratch in a reasonable amount of time by a reasonably sized team.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by fartcannon »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #77
continuational wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox was also clearly a better user experience at the time, which made it much easier to convince people to switch. I switched back to Firefox a while ago for ideological reasons, but the majority of people are not going to switch to something that is more or less the same, just without their bookmarks, passwords and history.

All major browsers have a dead-simple import tool, and they even asks you if you want to do it the first time you open them.

Yeah, plus people use whatever they think is the best. If you're an authority on the subject, tell them.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by Liquid_Fire »

layer8 wrote: post #49

I’ve still been using IE11 up to now by default (for the websites it still renders adequately, with Firefox as a fallback — there’s a “Open current page in Firefox” add-in), for the following reasons: - crisper and higher-contrast font rendering on low-DPI monitors - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. Edi…

> - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree.

You can do this in Firefox by middle (or Control) clicking the Reload button.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by psim1 »

IE may have been problematic from a tech point of view, but I'll eulogize that IE was important in advancing the web. The OS-integrated browser meant that in 1995, users had a full Internet stack readily available on their home PCs -- the widespread launch of Web 1.0. Later, IE was the pioneer of XMLHttpRequest, the beginning of Web 2.0. For these, we can say thanks, Microsoft! (for everything else, see other comments)

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by simongray »

tiborsaas wrote: post #66

If you have some time between two cocktails while celebrating, do your visitors a favour and add this meta tag to your : https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/ie_standards/ms-i... This will make IE very insisting to upgrade to Edge if possible.

Thank you for that tip.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by [deleted] »

layer8 wrote: post #49

I’ve still been using IE11 up to now by default (for the websites it still renders adequately, with Firefox as a fallback — there’s a “Open current page in Firefox” add-in), for the following reasons: - crisper and higher-contrast font rendering on low-DPI monitors - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. Edi…

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by mister_tee »

Liquid_Fire wrote: post #83
layer8 wrote: post #49

I’ve still been using IE11 up to now by default (for the websites it still renders adequately, with Firefox as a fallback — there’s a “Open current page in Firefox” add-in), for the following reasons: - crisper and higher-contrast font rendering on low-DPI monitors - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. Edi…

> - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. You can do this in Firefox by middle (or Control) clicking the Reload button.

In Chrome those mouse actions work as well, or right-clicking a tab and selecting "Duplicate." I'm not sure if there's a keyboard command for it.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by mrtksn »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #80
mrtksn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember how we got into the IE6 situation? IE was actually very innovative, did stuff like AJAX before everyone else and the developers adopted the ways of IE. Websites did not work well on other browsers, every website had a disclaimer at the bottom: Works best in IE. Now I see similar situation with Chrome and gives me goosebumps. Some people say that Safari is the new IE but I think they got it wrong, I th…

Why does there only need to be one web villain? We've unbundled IE's horrors. Safari is now the browser that resists web standards and an open internet for its parent company's personal gain. See: PWAs, webgl, webview. And Chrome is now the thousand pound gorilla forcing standards nobody wants, for its parent company's personal gain. See: manifest v3, cookie security.

Resisting web standards is alright, if people make standards compliant websites it will simply mean that Safari users will miss out some stuff.

The problem starts when you implement alternative standards and you have a market share to make people code for your standard. In this situation, your users don't suffer but everyone else suffer, that's what I call villain.

Check Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Exterminate strategy. This is the evil thing, making browser that doesn't adopt some web standards is not evil.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by traveler01 »

mrtksn wrote: post #79
traveler01 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the issue with Chrome. The new IE it's obviously Safari and it's in the worst way possible since in iOS you're actually forced to use it. Apple is also being accused of breaking their own browser to force you using their AppStore. Don't see Google doing that.

Apple forces you to use the rendering engine, not the browser. You can download Chrome to your iPhone. Anyway, that's not the point. IE wasn't bad because it was a shitty browser. It was bad because it had features that other browsers did not have and it was very popular because it was very innovative and it was heavily marketed. This resulted in websites being made for IE only, which resulted in a lockdown of huge u…

I don't agree with you and as a developer I find way more issues with Safari than with Chrome/Firefox/Edge.

Also, what matters in a browser it's the engine. If it's always WebKit and you find a issue or something else in iOS you can switch the browser but the result will always be the same since Chrome and Firefox are forced to use WebKit.

Chrome's engine it's Chromium which is open-source and used by other browsers like Microsoft Edge for example, so I don't see as much of an issue with Google Chrome, since you're not actually forced to use it.

> Chrome does have non standard features and huge market share

Even Firefox has it's own non-standard features and I don't see people complaining about it.

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