Results this are why I vigorously defend even the outer fringes of free speech. "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Japan passes revised penal code with harsher punishment for cyberbullying
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Re: Japan passes revised penal code with harsher punishment for cyberbullying
#82I am surprised how much less discussion takes place about cyberbullying and the deaths caused by it. I agree with freedom of speech but if it violates someones right to exist then shouldn't the culprits be punished? If not punished atleast have a legal process to discuss/debate it in the court of law? Thoughts?
People dying is a small price to pay for free speech. Of course, if everyone died and the last person was able to speak freely, it would be worth it. Everything else is trading safety for liberty. Slippery slopes of free speech crackdowns inevitably lead to loss of liberty. Leave if you don't like it. Absolutism in free speech is the only justifiable position. Welcome to debate.
>People dying is a small price to pay for free speech.
Easy to say when it's not you doing the dying.
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#83Personally I feel this is law is a great step forward to stop hate speech and other forms of severe harassment but the thought that if you happen to “rage” on someone mid game and receive jail time for that scares me. Society is becoming more and more closed off in a way where rather then freedom of expression you have to limit ur speech to not offend another.
Everything that I does not agree causes micro agressions on my persona thus causing emotional harm.
This is hate speech.
/sarcasm
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wait why would they go specifically after gamers?
I don't think the reasons are good, but gamers often trash talk and bully each other in game. For example, Riot needed to ban people from typing “kys” in League of Legends because it means “kill your self” and they were worried about it. (Whether that is because they care about the players or their liability or both is not for me to decide)
That's a very strange way of phrasing this. Obviously if you're telling random other people to go kill themselves in a game, you should be banned, same as if you start hurting racial slurs or making threats or other asshole behavior.
Re: Japan passes revised penal code with harsher punishment for cyberbullying
#85Results this are why I vigorously defend even the outer fringes of free speech. "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Is there any practical evidence of this slippery slope? Here in Canada hate speech, defamation, and obscenity have been illegal for a while. The idea is that you have freedom of expression, but it only extends as far as it doesn't infringe on another person's entitlement to a life free from discrimination & harassment. I don't feel like this has been a slippery slope for us, only a different place to draw the lines b…
> you have freedom of expression, but it only extends as far as it doesn't infringe on another person's entitlement to a life free from discrimination & harassment
How do you determine this? If I define a common word to be offensive towards me, how would you argue against it if I really feel that way? Where do you draw the line?
Re: Japan passes revised penal code with harsher punishment for cyberbullying
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there any practical evidence of this slippery slope? Here in Canada hate speech, defamation, and obscenity have been illegal for a while. The idea is that you have freedom of expression, but it only extends as far as it doesn't infringe on another person's entitlement to a life free from discrimination & harassment. I don't feel like this has been a slippery slope for us, only a different place to draw the lines b…
Another Canadian here. Saw a video of an American pastor last week saying homosexuals should be lined up against the wall and shot. Great people they are protecting down there.
The same laws that protect them protect gay rights activists. If the democratic majority in a town with a church like that was allowed to choose a side to ban, who do you think they would pick?
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
This law has good intentions but will be used to imprison political rivals and online gamers. The first link in the chain is forged, captain, get ready for a wild ride.
Wait why would they go specifically after gamers?
It's probably just a joke. But after some thinking, it could be because it's a large congregation of """unsupervised""" teenagers (that are actually being surveilled) and when/if the courts were to read a transcript from your average group of 15 year old boys competing among each other out loud, then most of western societies perpetual pearl clutchers would have an aneurism despite it being mostly harmless and only do more harm in prosecuting then protecting as far as effect on peoples lives go.
Re: Japan passes revised penal code with harsher punishment for cyberbullying
#88Results this are why I vigorously defend even the outer fringes of free speech. "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
How does forcing a person to defend their harassing behavior in court do anything to curtail free speech?
How much do you have to spend on court costs?
Re: Japan passes revised penal code with harsher punishment for cyberbullying
#89Results this are why I vigorously defend even the outer fringes of free speech. "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
That link has already sailed. Libel and slander are already illegal speech, as is inciting violence, as is yelling “fire” in a crowded theater, as is saying curse words on broadcast TV and radio.
> yelling “fire” in a crowded theater
this phrase will never go away, the fact that it stems from a 100 year old supreme court decision that used it as example why speech in opposition to the WWI draft was not protected free speech under the first amendment is still funny besides the fact that it was later overturned.
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#90Am I the only one who thinks that once you expose yourself to the public you should be prepared to take some "insults"?
Just like celebrities you become a "mini celebrity" so you can expect some online harrasment.
Not to mention that you can always close your account/make it private.