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Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by IdEntities »

vpribish wrote: post #66
lostlogin wrote: post #65

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I wish I could tell if it was trolls, idiots, or villains - it's hard to respond appropriately if unsure. regardless, this is very sad to see on HN.

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that it was not a metaphysical impossibility that some unknown issue with the novel technology applied in these vaccines was missed in the severely abbreviated clinical trials. The control groups were all vaccinated the second the EUAs were granted, so we have no controls against which we can check our hypotheses. In the (I know, completely impossible) hypothetical I am putting forth, wouldn't the first hints of the problem be something like unexplained excess deaths coinciding with vaccine rollout?

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Post by darkerside »

uejfiweun wrote: post #72
buildbot wrote: post #4

The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

As a counterpoint I got omicron in Jan and it was extremely mild. One day of fever and fatigue and I was back to normal. No lingering effects at all. I honestly think the hysteria over long covid is rather harmful in of itself, because now you have a lot of people with a sort of placebo effect. For instance, feeling tired and ascribing that to a permanent affliction of long covid rather than the 3 hours of sleep you…

Yes, this is real, and it's called the nocebo effect.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by t0bia_s »

fastaguy88 wrote: post #62
SoftTalker wrote: post #47

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Why is it fair to entertain speculation about underreported deaths and all kinds of long-tail effects of COVID the disease, but not fair to do the same speculation about the vaccines?

Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people ( likely fewer than 100 deaths in the US).

How many dead people of covid/vaccine you know personally? That should be more valid source of information for you.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by darkerside »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #79
uejfiweun wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counterpoint I got omicron in Jan and it was extremely mild. One day of fever and fatigue and I was back to normal. No lingering effects at all. I honestly think the hysteria over long covid is rather harmful in of itself, because now you have a lot of people with a sort of placebo effect. For instance, feeling tired and ascribing that to a permanent affliction of long covid rather than the 3 hours of sleep you…

Long Covid has a proven association with microclotting and other vascular issues. Covid is essentially a vascular illness and there's some evidence it attacks the entire immune system. So this is anything but "hysteria." I know a shocking number of previously healthy people who have suddenly had strokes, heart arrhythmias, and - in a few cases - are now dead. Less dramatic symptoms include extreme incapacitating fati…

Ditto.

Heart disease has been a leading killer since long before COVID.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by darkerside »

ramblenode wrote: post #59
tsol wrote: post #45

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I don't think this is deserving of being grayed out. There certainly do seem to be some lingering systemic effects for some people that have recovered from covid, and for some people those effects are very serious. Cancers, though, seem like a stretch. I don't see any reason to think covid would cause that. It's lingering tiredness that really seems to be common among those who have been infected

Why is cancer a stretch? Other viral infections are well known to increase cancer risk. It seems like basically anything that causes tissue damage increases the risk of cancer, which is basically a result of the breakdown of information.

The real question is, does it increase cancer risk more than a typical cold or flu.

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jhardy54 wrote: post #74
uejfiweun wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counterpoint I got omicron in Jan and it was extremely mild. One day of fever and fatigue and I was back to normal. No lingering effects at all. I honestly think the hysteria over long covid is rather harmful in of itself, because now you have a lot of people with a sort of placebo effect. For instance, feeling tired and ascribing that to a permanent affliction of long covid rather than the 3 hours of sleep you…

“I flipped a coin and got heads, so the people who say they got tails must be confused”

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Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by IdEntities »

gameshot911 wrote: post #77
IdEntities wrote: post #71

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In private conversation my PCP will express concerns about the vaccines that she steadfastly refuses to share with most patients for fear of professional repercussions. You are operating from an assumption ("the institutions of authority are healthy and aligned with the imperative of finding and disseminating the truth") which I don't share.

What sort of concerns? Big difference between "unsure of cost-benefit for patients aged 3-5" and "vaccines contain microchips".

It's more: unsure of cost-benefit for healthy males without comorbidities up to 40 and women up to 30 (especially those who were already recovered from Covid), the insanity of recommending the shots to pregnant women with zero data regarding impact on fetal development, reactivation of latent viruses like herpes simplex which might suggest some level of induced broader immune dysfunction, and the potential for vaccine enhanced disease or OAS (especially given the use of the long defunct Wuhan strain spike protein in ongoing booster campaigns).

Anyway, focusing on the specifics of the concerns is to avoid the more fundamental point, which is that doctors are not some cohort which one can implicitly trust to be guided by pure objective truth and scientific rigor at all times, nor are they a perfectly homogeneous group in lockstep agreement on all scientific questions.

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Post by mwint »

gameshot911 wrote: post #77
IdEntities wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In private conversation my PCP will express concerns about the vaccines that she steadfastly refuses to share with most patients for fear of professional repercussions. You are operating from an assumption ("the institutions of authority are healthy and aligned with the imperative of finding and disseminating the truth") which I don't share.

What sort of concerns? Big difference between "unsure of cost-benefit for patients aged 3-5" and "vaccines contain microchips".

Either concern will get you pilloried in a roughly equal manner.

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Post by xyzzyz »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #76
WoodenChair wrote: post #17

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Some of what you wrote is true and some of it is pure speculation. I downvoted you for the unsubstantiated fear mongering in this sentence: > Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. People are afraid enough we don’t need that.

The problem is that they aren't afraid enough - otherwise they'd be pushing to bring this pandemic under control.

I’d rather bring under control people who are trying to prevent my children from having normal life. We all had Covid already (likely even twice). We are done with the theater. We don’t want to listen to scaremongering. We want to smile in public. We want to breathe freely. We don’t want or need any more boosters. If you like the restrictions, wear a mask, or just stay home permanently, I don’t care. Just don’t force me and my children into literally faceless, anti-social dystopia.
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