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Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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appletrotter wrote: post #27
bigcat12345678 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, anyone who think China's ambition is Taiwan, is simply ignorant of the civilization's history. China has always been the central of the world order, pride herself on its superiority in all aspects of human society. Taiwan needs to be a showcase of superiority over the US represented system. This superiority could be demonstrated in many manner, not necessarily taking over the island. After all, one who eyes the…

I love this take. WHy should Greeks care about barbarians?

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Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by FooBarWidget »

mdp2021 wrote: post #78
FooBarWidget wrote: post #25

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China is definitely watching the US, but I don't think it's for the reason you imagine. China prefers peaceful reunification. They don't want to fight a war if they don't have to. At the same time, peaceful reunification is a core interest of China. Which means that they will go to war, but only if they believe peaceful reunification is no longer possible. So yes they do watch the US to make calculations. But even if…

> it's also possibly the most emotional one for the Chinese. Large portions of the population support reunification Some of us have difficulties in understanding the mindset: if some population wants one system, and is unavailable to be part of a different system (they would have moved, would not they), how do those "reunification supporters" on the other side believe, psychologically, that a system change is imagina…

Reunification means that both side recognize that they're Chinese. Things like systems or ideology are not that important and can be worked out. They could have different governments. In fact a federation solution was proposed (and rejected) in the 80s.

Furthermore, the Chinese sense of history is much longer. There are many examples in Chinese history in which some territory splitted off and then reunified later. So things like "the configuration won't be stable" wouldn't be Chinese thinking. To the Chinese, splitting off is the unstable configuration.

Given how the current Taiwan situation came to be, many Chinese view the Taiwan government as relatives with whom they've had a fight, and whom — after losing — bunkered down in the basement. The basement is still part of the house. They're still part of the family, so let's not be too cruel to them and seek peace. But if they no longer claim to be part of the family, then kick them out.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by hueyluey »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #15
fartcannon wrote: post #10

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What about what they did in Hong Kong? They changed the rules once, what stops them from doing it again? History clearly means nothing.

Deviations in agreements is not a thing exclusive to China. Agreements in international politics are made for a purpose. Perhaps to keep peace, or to protect some interest, etc. If the situation changes such that that purpose can no longer be served — especially if that purpose is an extremely important core interest — then any country will seek to deviate from agreed upon behavior. For example, the US clearly agreed…

Not trying to nitpick, but as far as I know, Taiwan was occupied by Japan starting from 1895, so China didn't inherit it in 1911.

I guess this shows how unfundamented is the current chinese territorial claim. Xinjiang was for most centuries an independent region or part of a different (usualy turkish) empire. Something similar happened with Tibet. It might make sense to include what's currently Mongolia into the chinese claim.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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hueyluey wrote: post #85
FooBarWidget wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deviations in agreements is not a thing exclusive to China. Agreements in international politics are made for a purpose. Perhaps to keep peace, or to protect some interest, etc. If the situation changes such that that purpose can no longer be served — especially if that purpose is an extremely important core interest — then any country will seek to deviate from agreed upon behavior. For example, the US clearly agreed…

Not trying to nitpick, but as far as I know, Taiwan was occupied by Japan starting from 1895, so China didn't inherit it in 1911. I guess this shows how unfundamented is the current chinese territorial claim. Xinjiang was for most centuries an independent region or part of a different (usualy turkish) empire. Something similar happened with Tibet. It might make sense to include what's currently Mongolia into the chin…

Well Taiwan was officially given back to China by the US after WW2 ended. So maybe not inherited from Qing, but definitely from ROC.

Regarding Xinjiang, the Xinjiang claim is older than the US's claim on its own land so it cannot be more unfundamented than the US as a nation is.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by bigcat12345678 »

appletrotter wrote: post #27
bigcat12345678 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, anyone who think China's ambition is Taiwan, is simply ignorant of the civilization's history. China has always been the central of the world order, pride herself on its superiority in all aspects of human society. Taiwan needs to be a showcase of superiority over the US represented system. This superiority could be demonstrated in many manner, not necessarily taking over the island. After all, one who eyes the…

I love this take. WHy should Greeks care about barbarians?

I don't follow your statement about "Greeks care about barbarians".

Greeks, if I guess correctly, had a similar barbarian problems, like the ancient Chinese rules. Superficially, the 2 share the same high-level setting, i.e., an advanced kingdom is surrounded by nomad barbarians, where the advanced kingdom has a settled society built on top of rural + makers + traders economy, with a strong top governmental body; the barbarians are living a much more primitive life, and often trade with the advanced kingdom for things they cannot produce, and often resolve to invasion and looting when the climate cycle degrades their normal life condition beyond the normal capacity of their eudrance.

I don't know about Greeks. Ancient Chinese devote significant intellectual and military thinking and resources on barbarians. Dealing with Barbarians often determine the live and death of a Chinese dynasty. For example Tang, Song, Ming were all ended by barbarians (in the general sense). And the great dynasties of Chinese history is always characterized by a military success and political subdue of barbarians. Han in the Wu Di era, Tang in the Tai Zong era. Ming in the Cheng Zu era.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by bitxbitxbitcoin »

ethbr0 wrote: post #32
yellow_lead wrote: post #3

In Taiwan right now, I was surprised how close some Taiwan-controlled islands are to the mainland. Kinmen is just 10km away[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinmen

Wikipedia has a great map [0] and 1960s context [1] on Quemoy and Matsu. Broadly speaking, the ROC controlled them, the CCP attempted to seize them [2] in the 1950s, and the US threatened involvement (including nuclear). Then everyone settled down to just lobbing artillery at each other. In modern times, they're more of a symbol than an asset, in that if the CCP made moves to seize them, the US would assume an invasi…

I heard that conscripts used to draw straws to see who would get deployed to those islands because of the chance of artillery landing.

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by bigcat12345678 »

Personally, Taiwan's most important mission now is to continue maintain TSMC's superiority over either China and US in advanced Chip manufacturing.

Once TSMC lost that advantage, either side of China and US are going to put Taiwan in a much lower significance in the consideration of their own duel of power.

The one being treated the worst is always the one who is inconsequential. The bad guys are never target of so-called justice...

Re: Taiwan to Deploy ‘Bee Eye’ Radars Near Chinese Mainland

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Post by futhey »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #2

Unfortunately, China will likely attack Taiwan unless Russia is humiliated.

Russia has been humiliated abroad. Now, they must be humiliated at home. This means Crimea returning to Ukrainian control.

That... will require a significantly greater commitment from Nato allies, or the US.

Until Nato makes a greater commitment, the Chinese will (correctly) read this as a sign that in the event of a Taiwan invasion, the US will provide military support, but stop before committing troops to enforcing the status quo in the Taiwan strait.

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