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Re: Artificial neural networks are making strides towards consciousness?

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Post by K0balt » Sun, Jun 12, 2022, 12:22 AM UTC

mdp2021 wrote: post #76

im3w1l wrote: post #66

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A model is not required to get everything right. I found those deductions absolutely amazing honestly.

It depends on your goal. "Given the acquired studies in astronomy and rocket science, engineering and robotics, surely we can plan a mission to explore the solar corona in-place, which we calculated as safe and achievable, provided we limit the physical environmental constraints by carrying the mission on rigorously at nighttime" Maybe you are into entertainment, maybe you are into AI (AKA "automated problem solving"…

Is this an actual generated response? Because if it is it’s actually amazing, a genuine creative solution to a difficult problem, albeit one that fails to understand how night and day work.

Re: Artificial neural networks are making strides towards consciousness?

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Post by mdp2021 » Sun, Jun 12, 2022, 7:37 AM UTC

K0balt wrote: post #81

mdp2021 wrote: post #76

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It depends on your goal. "Given the acquired studies in astronomy and rocket science, engineering and robotics, surely we can plan a mission to explore the solar corona in-place, which we calculated as safe and achievable, provided we limit the physical environmental constraints by carrying the mission on rigorously at nighttime" Maybe you are into entertainment, maybe you are into AI (AKA "automated problem solving"…

Is this an actual generated response? Because if it is it’s actually amazing, a genuine creative solution to a difficult problem, albeit one that fails to understand how night and day work.

> Is this an actual generated response? Because if it is it’s actually amazing, a genuine creative solution to a difficult problem, albeit one that fails to understand how night and day work

No. Of course it a joke I constructed to show that "«deductions»" do not exclude that the deducer is a moron. And to suggest that morons will be dangerous (I cannot write 'can': it is 'will'), because cognitive failures may be more concealed than ideas about "the temperature of the Sun in the night".

The constructed sentence is not just «fail[ing] to understand how night and day work»: it would show a failure to understand how the whole system works, a failure in the whole world model, which reveals to be either as shallow as a one-molecule layer or as inconsistent as a post-hand-granade deflagration.

And that is why I wrote «entertainment», because such cognitive failures are the basis of jokes as the intellectual equivalent of slapstick, and I opposed it to «AI (AKA "automated problem solving")», because when you are engineering a problem solvers, you do need those automated solutions to be sound, and surely not unintentionally treacherous!

I get it that appearances can be "«amazing»" - as both posters label -, meaning stupefying, inducing that temporary confusion as the intellect is suddenly baffled and maybe lured into deceit by comforting emotional instances, but as the confusion dissipates and you see things as they are, as duly, you are back to the actually important state, in which "humorously amazing" and "amazing with worth" are quite distinct.

Re: Artificial neural networks are making strides towards consciousness?

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Post by oshout » Sun, Jun 12, 2022, 10:56 AM UTC

kcanini wrote: post #60

kelseyfrog wrote: post #47

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Part of me hopes that AGI breaks capitalism, but I'll begrudgingly admit that it there is a greater chance that it also creates a hellscape beyond the limits of human understanding - a collapsing shareholder economy. The cost of labor is under-girded by the cost of social reproduction eg: the costs of keeping labor alive and the cost of creating people capable of laboring. The current economic condition has a singula…

Is this comment also available in short story format?

The precursor shorts of the movie the Matrix: The Ani-Matrix.

Synopsis here: https://collider.com/the-matrix-animatrix-explained/

Re: Artificial neural networks are making strides towards consciousness?

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Post by malaya_zemlya » Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 3:31 PM UTC

lemmsjid wrote: post #48

divs1210 wrote: post #13

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Yup. I'll believe it when the model gets decent grades in a GRE comprehension test.

That was an intriguing suggestion. I found this GRE question: https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/verbal_reaso... . I'm kind of in a rush, so I picked some questions around Question 2 and gave them to OpenAI's chat bot. I reformulated the questions to make them not a multiple choice scenario. As far as the answer guide is concerned, it got the most obviously correct interpretation right, it also identifie…

FWIW, when I ran the same questions by GPT, I got the opposite answer.

   ...
   Human: Does passage suggest that Glass's work displays an attempt to elevate rock music to an artistic status more closely approximating that of classical music, or does it suggest that Glass's work displays a return to the use of popular music in classical compositions
   AI: The passage suggests that Glass's work displays an attempt to elevate rock music to an artistic status more closely approximating that of classical music.
   Human: Does the passage suggest that Glass's work displays an attempt to elevate rock music to an artistic status more closely approximating that of classical music?
   AI: Yes, the passage does suggest that Glass's work displays an attempt to elevate rock music to an artistic status more closely approximating that of classical music.

Re: Artificial neural networks are making strides towards consciousness?

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne » Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 12:08 PM UTC

lemmsjid wrote: post #71

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #67

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Searching online for the following text: "AI: The passage addresses the issue of whether or not Glass's use of popular elements in his classical compositions makes him a composer of popular music." I find the following two pages both of which have text that looks similar to GPT-3's answer: https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/verbal_reaso... >> The passage describes in general terms how Philip Glass uses p…

"AI" is the tag used in OpenAI's chatbot, not the technology. Hmm I wasn't making claims. I was interested in how the OpenAI's gpt-3 bot would do on a GRE question. Its a good question because it takes things out of their epistemological context and provides a more straightforward test. I think it would have gotten a 30%, so not good, though not terrible. I was not claiming the answers were original and I don't think…

Sorry for the late reply and thanks for taking the trouble to try this.

My intuition from a quick scan of your second experiment above is that, in a sense, you used the scaffold of the original prompts and dressed it up in a different context. GPT-3 and other Large Language Models are very good at discerning patterns in text and filling them in with new tokens, but this still doesn't tell us much about their ability to understand the text.