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We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by Klonoar »

ntoskrnl wrote: post #19
woolion wrote: post #2

Although it's always good news to have Linux on more device, in the case of Apple I find it a bit problematic. That means you encourage Apple getting a huge cut on device sale. Or further justify the high prices of second-hand device because now you can 'give them a second-life' (to counter Apple's in-house planned obsolescence program). It's not just about freedom. Apple's walled-garden means you need in every compa…

Let's say I have an iPhone 6 that stopped receiving updates. What do you suggest I do with it: - landfill - install Linux - something else?

Recycle it with Apple.

I don’t understand this desire to keep arbitrary old devices around. I only do it for as long as I need a device for testing (iOS dev).

They simply have no value past this.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by solarkraft »

soared wrote: post #73
fareesh wrote: post #20

I remember being in an IRC regularly 10-12 years ago where there was a community that was semi-active about a project to port android to the iPhone created by David Wang (planetbeing). There were a few builds going around at the time which I tried out. This video had gone somewhat viral at the time which is what sparked my interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJj0kHQgC9w . It seems like that project eventually b…

Around the same time there were projects to put Nintendo (game boy?) games on ipods as well.

Do you mean emulators? That's how I played Tetris on my iPod Touch.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fartcannon »

ben174 wrote: post #55
robin_reala wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technical explanation was that CPU speed scaling spikes would exceed the old battery’s ability to supply power, causing the phone to reset. Apple’s decision was that a slower phone was a better user experience than a phone that randomly reset when you tried to do something that required a high CPU frequency. The upshot of that is that, yes, your phone got slower as it aged due to a software update. The battery li…

And any way you look at it, it's clear that Apple wasn't just trying to cripple old phones in an attempt to sell the newer models. They were doing their best to prolong the life and/or maintain a decent experience for the phones that had become outdated.

Which is why they were sued and _lost_?

The mental gymnastics you people use is nuts. I guess this is part of Apples PR, is it? Deny history?

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fartcannon »

jasonlotito wrote: post #58
fartcannon wrote: post #27

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This is only half true. There were sued for this, but you can sue anyone for anything so that hardly matters. The assertion you are making has not been proven, and the link in your article backs this up. Quite the opposite. Your claim is false.

They were sued and lost. Thus: guilty.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fartcannon »

refracture wrote: post #36
fartcannon wrote: post #27

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To be clear it's not that they 'downgraded' battery life, it's that it throttled power draw (and by extension performance) if the phone determined that the battery could no longer reliably power the device at peak draw. Apple's failure to communicate this and give users the option to set power draw back to full (with an explanation of consequences) is exactly why they got sued and deserved to lose. It's up front and…

They were sued and _lost_.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by fartcannon »

robin_reala wrote: post #37
fartcannon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were sued and lost for exactly this reason. https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay...

The technical explanation was that CPU speed scaling spikes would exceed the old battery’s ability to supply power, causing the phone to reset. Apple’s decision was that a slower phone was a better user experience than a phone that randomly reset when you tried to do something that required a high CPU frequency. The upshot of that is that, yes, your phone got slower as it aged due to a software update. The battery li…

No, it was pretty straight forward. Which is why they lost the suit.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by pessimizer »

ben174 wrote: post #55
robin_reala wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technical explanation was that CPU speed scaling spikes would exceed the old battery’s ability to supply power, causing the phone to reset. Apple’s decision was that a slower phone was a better user experience than a phone that randomly reset when you tried to do something that required a high CPU frequency. The upshot of that is that, yes, your phone got slower as it aged due to a software update. The battery li…

And any way you look at it, it's clear that Apple wasn't just trying to cripple old phones in an attempt to sell the newer models. They were doing their best to prolong the life and/or maintain a decent experience for the phones that had become outdated.

Apple was intentionally and silently slowing down aging iDevices to make it seem like they had just become obsolete under the higher requirements of newer software, rather than just having dying batteries. While the person you're responding to is mischaracterizing what happened to some extent and implying that it is still happening (they may still be throttled to protect from sudden shutoffs, but everybody knows now), you're propagandizing about it.

If they had the users' interests in heart at all, they could have thrown a modal that explained that the batteries were dying, and asked if the user wanted the phone to be throttled to avoid incidents of sudden power loss. If Apple had done this, they would have immediately lost sales and had complaints about expensive and inconvenient battery replacement, so they chose not to. This was the result of nothing but greed.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by dripton »

CamelRocketFish wrote: post #83

Others have already spoken about this amazing achievement so I’m not going to repeat it, but I will say that the flashing cursor animation in the nav bar is horribly distracting whilst reading, if author reads this, please consider removing it.

UBlock Origin, right-click on the annoying thing, Block Element, done.

Re: We got Linux on the iPhone, iPad and other idevices

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Post by CamelRocketFish »

dripton wrote: post #89
CamelRocketFish wrote: post #83

Others have already spoken about this amazing achievement so I’m not going to repeat it, but I will say that the flashing cursor animation in the nav bar is horribly distracting whilst reading, if author reads this, please consider removing it.

UBlock Origin, right-click on the annoying thing, Block Element, done.

Cheers!
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