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Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by shareme »

nextparadigms wrote: post #9

I was expecting this. Apple can't possibly match Samsung with all their smartphone price ranges, and it's only the beginning for Samsung. There are a lot more "units" to be sold in the under $150 level. That's where the biggest volume will come from. I also expect them to surpass Nokia in all phone shipments, too (they already did in smartphones). But it might take a few more quarters. Nokia will transition too slowl…

20% of those numbers are iphone Samsung made for Apple due..stop talking out of your ass.. as soon as Apple buys a mobile handset firm it can.

Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by [deleted] »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #6
moomin wrote: post #2

Apple never set out to make the most smartphones, it just kind of happened. They set out to make the most money. Samsung are a fair distance from achieving that.

"They set out to make the most money." It really worries me that there's a new breed of Apple fan that actually believes this. In reality they set out to build the best device (for affluent, white, middle-aged, American males with a taste for minimalism) and semi-accidentally became fashionable status symbols. The crowing about making the most money was just fanboy bragging because every other stat they bragged about…

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Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by tomkarlo »

davidw wrote: post #59
Retric wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huge margins tend to come from good software, and I would much rather have better software than care what the manufacture's costs are.

As ramchip says below, there are a zillion reasons why high margins may happen, including some that are "good", and some that are "bad". All other things being mostly equal , I'd go for the guy who's not making as much money off of me, because that means that more of the value is accruing to me, rather than to him. Simple as that.

You're assuming that the cost of goods sold (the price minus the margin) is a reliable indicator of the value you receive in the final product. That's a really questionable assumption given that the whole idea of company that converts raw goods into finished consumer products is to maximize the amount of value they add onto the raw cost of making the item.

You're basically saying you prefer to buy from the company that adds relatively little value to its products in the form of good design, efficient production or good sourcing of raw materials.

Let's say a company found a way to create goods with negative raw goods costs - such operations do exist, usually by converting trash or waste into a desireable product. (E.g. sewage into fertilizer pellets.) Is that a less desirable product than one that has a lower margin?

Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by brisance »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #13
brisance wrote: post #10

Once again the media is derelict in its reporting duties by equating "shipped" as "sold". They are not the same thing.

Samsung smartphones are selling briskly, there is no material difference in the numbers. The month on month rise in sales, for the last year or so, has been spectacular. You can't just keep shipping phones at that pace without selling them, it's simply not realistic to channel stuff on that scale.

The article didn't mention anything about the difference in "shipped" vs "sold" numbers. Apple's numbers are those that have sold through to customers. So there is not enough information to tell if it's "a material difference".

The rest of the article is equally shoddy. For example: Chinese phone maker ZTE Corp.’s cheaper handsets helped it take 4.7 percent and overtake Apple for fourth place. Global market shipments climbed 14 percent to 390 million units, according to the researcher.

Apple does not even produce feature phones, so the inclusion of Apple in that paragraph can only be construed as mischievous. It's like saying "Porsche fell to last place in the under-US$20K category".

Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by MaysonL »

wmf wrote: post #75
diminish wrote: post #45

Single device strategy vs Devices with multiple sizes, keyboards etc.The first strategy makes good profit and the second strategy makes more revenuue. but long term, always the market share rules strategically..

It's clear that very small market share is not sustainable, but the market is so large that I think iOS will be fine even if it levels off at ~30% share.

And also, given that a much larger share of Android users switch to iOS than switch the other way, Apple will do fine.

Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by MaysonL »

jamesrom wrote: post #31
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never underestimate the power of double-think. I can't believe that Gruber (for example) would claim with a straight face "Money is how you keep score" after years of attacking Microsoft who massively won on both marketshare and profitshare on the desktop. (They've fallen slightly behind in profit the last year or so, but take any longer period and they murder Apple. By Gruber's own metric this means Apple's computer…

That's completely wrong. Yes, money is how you keep score. But no, just because Microsoft had a higher "score" (protip: microsoft won) doesn't mean that Apple's computers suck. Gruber is not saying that Apple makes more money than X, therefore X sucks. He is saying Apple makes more many than X, therefore Apple is winning. No one has ever claimed that Apple won the PC war.

Depends upon whether you count iPads as PCs or not - if you do, then yes, Apple is on the verge of winning the PC war.

Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by MatthewPhillips »

MaysonL wrote: post #86
jamesrom wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's completely wrong. Yes, money is how you keep score. But no, just because Microsoft had a higher "score" (protip: microsoft won) doesn't mean that Apple's computers suck. Gruber is not saying that Apple makes more money than X, therefore X sucks. He is saying Apple makes more many than X, therefore Apple is winning. No one has ever claimed that Apple won the PC war.

Depends upon whether you count iPads as PCs or not - if you do, then yes, Apple is on the verge of winning the PC war.

I think you're mistaken. There have been around 40 million iPads sold, whereas Windows 7 alone has sold over 400 million copies (released a few months before the iPad). iPad surpassing PC sales would be a heck of an achievement.

Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by kahawe »

jhuni wrote: post #61
dereg wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samsung is indisputably more "tyrannical" than Apple. The corporation has unsurpassed political influence in South Korea. For instance, scumbag Chairman (former CEO) Lee Kun-Hee is a nepotist and admitted guilt to political bribery in 2008. Guess what? He paid his way out of jail time and was even pardoned by LMB in 2009. Samsung also has tremendous media influence in the nation. The company influences the media by g…

As anti-capitalist, I oppose all corporations, including Samsung. On the other hand, as a free software activist, Apple has made itself my number one enemy in the past year or so with the considerable spread of the DRM-ridden iOS.

> As anti-capitalist, I oppose all corporations

Yea, some anti-capitalist you are - cheering for Google any chance you get and buying a "huge hdtv"! You are just a troll.

Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by kahawe »

dereg wrote: post #41
jhuni wrote: post #33

Well overtaking Apple is a good start, we shouldn't stop until Apple tyranny is totally wiped off the face of the Earth.

Samsung is indisputably more "tyrannical" than Apple. The corporation has unsurpassed political influence in South Korea. For instance, scumbag Chairman (former CEO) Lee Kun-Hee is a nepotist and admitted guilt to political bribery in 2008. Guess what? He paid his way out of jail time and was even pardoned by LMB in 2009. Samsung also has tremendous media influence in the nation. The company influences the media by g…

Just ignore him, he is nothing but a troll using buzz words he read somewhere...

Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller

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Post by jhuni »

kahawe wrote: post #88
jhuni wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As anti-capitalist, I oppose all corporations, including Samsung. On the other hand, as a free software activist, Apple has made itself my number one enemy in the past year or so with the considerable spread of the DRM-ridden iOS.

> As anti-capitalist, I oppose all corporations Yea, some anti-capitalist you are - cheering for Google any chance you get and buying a "huge hdtv"! You are just a troll.

Last I checked I get to decide my own personal beliefs. I love technology, including hardware such as televisions and tablets, and free software based upon GNU/Linux and web standards, which are both things Google actively contributes to.

I am anti-capitalist precisely because of my love of technology. I believe that we can construct a social system which vastly improves our rate of technological progress and that won't hold it back with things like the AI winter. I believe that subsequent to developing our technological productive forces, we will have a post-scarcity resource supply that makes money obsolete because our technologies will produce everything everyone needs.

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