Apple Unveils M2 • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by kyleplum » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #34

kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

Their answer is this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/microsoft-will-boost... They will need to get developers up to speed porting their apps to ARM before they are even in a position to re-boot their Windows ARM strategy. But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive.

As far as I can tell, the ARM hardware linked is vastly inferior to the current M1 hardware, let alone M2.

> But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive.

And during this time Apple is going to release M2 Pro/Max, M3, etc. I just have a hard time seeing how Intel/AMD catchup in the laptop space.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by Xeoncross » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

I'm not surprised they are keeping the M1 Air alive. That thing is a great price/performance combo in a very light and portable wrapper. It's been $850-$900 multiple times at Costco, Bestbuy or Microcenter.

Also, the first computer where getting the upgraded hard drive (512GB or 1TB) really helps with the low ram because of the integration bus they have with the drive for swap. It's fast.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by skavi » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

paulmd wrote: post #21

beckingz wrote: post #5

"M2 takes the industry-leading performance per watt of M1 even further with an 18 percent faster CPU, a 35 percent more powerful GPU, and a 40 percent faster Neural Engine" 18% faster at the same performance per watt is a nice increase. Interesting to see if this will ever make it to their desktop computers.

> 18% faster at the same performance per watt is a nice increase. 18% faster at the same wattage , which means 18% higher perf/watt.

Have they confirmed anything about power?

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by mwcampbell » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #34

kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

Their answer is this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/microsoft-will-boost... They will need to get developers up to speed porting their apps to ARM before they are even in a position to re-boot their Windows ARM strategy. But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive.

Ooh, I want one of these. I've long wished that Microsoft would release its own small-form-factor desktop to compete with the Mac mini.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by msh » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

dougmwne wrote: post #72

cloudengineer94 wrote: post #48

Still only supports one display. Also they increased the prices across the board.. Quite happy with my M1 Pro, a beat and a hell of a purchase.

Wait, you can't extend the display to a second screen?

Yes but only one external display plus the build in display.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by paulmd » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

swyx wrote: post #63

Escapado wrote: post #3

They were so careful not to compare it to the M1 Pro!

can anyone knowledgeable please oblige us with a comparison?

14" MBP gets the M1 Pro/Max, not the base-tier M1.

The M1 Pro is a 6+2 configuration, so it will have a little bit of an edge in core configuration, but Apple claims 18% faster on this generation, which might cancel out that edge a little bit (I'm guessing slightly slower still, but close). The M1 Pro does have a 40% larger GPU, but the M2 is 35% faster (again, taking Apple at face value) so it should again be similar-ish in gpu performance, very slightly slower (135/140 = 96% as fast).

The big difference is still that M1 Pro gets support for much larger memory, and the 14" has a much better port configuration, the 13" is basically still the same old chassis with USB-C and the touch bar, just updated with a newer processor.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by kyleplum » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20

jklinger410 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is a company full of bureaucrats who don't care about their product. Apple is going to take over the computing world here shortly.

Please talk to anyone outside of the start-up/tech world and ask them about the technology they use. A majority don't give a toss about M1 or M2 or ARM vs. x86 or anything else that seems to get so many in the tech world so excited. They care about Excel, they care about backwards compatibility, they care about centralized management. Apple _may_ take over the consumer space but this will be more due to the shift fro…

Consumers do care about things like battery life. I imagine most consumers would prefer to stick with what they know (windows), but as the battery life/performance gap grows, people will be more likely to make the switch.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by Shadonototra » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

Quarrel wrote: post #24

Shadonototra wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you provide fanless laptop, and extended battery life if you don't care about maximizing performance while maintaining ultra low power usage? That is why nobody buys windows based laptops anymore and the macbook air is the best selling laptop you don't need apple marketing team to see how people are fed-up with hot windows laptops and their noisy fans (and blind btw, pun intended or maybe not lol)

> That is why nobody buys windows based laptops anymore and the macbook air is the best selling laptop A huge majority buy windows based laptops. Macbook Air's are the best selling laptop because of the fragmentation of the Windows laptop market amongst manufacturers. MacOS does not in any way make up a majority of laptops. I get that it is 2001 again and we should all be shitting on MS, but let's try and keep some f…

Incapable of attacking my argument about fanless/power efficiency, instead you nitpick on the sales

> I get that it is 2001 again and we should all be shitting on MS, but let's try and keep some facts in the conversation.

That's a windows 11 with snapdragon for you! fanless! ha

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by HideousKojima » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

Shadonototra wrote: post #13

refulgentis wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 years from now people will grok more fundamentally that launching 2 process nodes ahead of Intel via TSMC was the big win. For now, we'll deal with marketing-ese about how "other CPU vendors have to choose between power and performance" from Apple's head of semiconductor engineering, and posts on this page like the one saying Microsoft doesn't care and Apple's about to take over computing.

How do you provide fanless laptop, and extended battery life if you don't care about maximizing performance while maintaining ultra low power usage? That is why nobody buys windows based laptops anymore and the macbook air is the best selling laptop you don't need apple marketing team to see how people are fed-up with hot windows laptops and their noisy fans (and blind btw, pun intended or maybe not lol)

The highest estimates I've seen for Mac laptop market share are 15%, most places put it at 6-8%.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by rtlfe » Mon, Jun 06, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

onphonenow wrote: post #40

jklinger410 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is a company full of bureaucrats who don't care about their product. Apple is going to take over the computing world here shortly.

No chance unfortunately. Windows 11 has pop up "notifications" that are basically ads all over. Unnecessarily hard to cleanup / customize in a biz setting. If we could deploy Apple products in a business environment we would in a heartbeat. But Microsoft just is better here currently on a lot of fronts - the last time I chased my tail here it didn't pay off. If Apple wants to compete for the business market I think t…

> If we could deploy Apple products in a business environment we would in a heartbeat.

I'm not gonna pretend to know about how IT works in business, but most employees at big tech companies do all their work on Macs, so it's certainly possible in some cases.