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Scott Alexander's correction on ivermectin and its meaning for the rationalists

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Re: Scott Alexander's correction on ivermectin and its meaning for the rationalists

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> Regardless, this seems like a silly diatribe after the medical community has already investigated the Ivermectin idea to great lengths and at massive scale and concluded that any effects it might have are too small to be worth pursuing. It's weird to see someone writing volumes about re-litigating last years' amateur scientist social media battles. Many rationalists are driven by contrarianism and are the living em…

I used to think of myself as a rationalist, but after being wrong a few times in some passionate internet arguments I began to think about what it would mean to truly be a rationalist, and given my understanding of the fallibility of the human brain (evidenced by reproduced/reliable psychological studies), the best way to be rational would be to assume that I myself am not 100% rational (in the same sense that nobody…

I think I went down a somewhat similar route. It's easy to find oneself trying to embody some archetypal champion of "logical" and "rational" thinking when you're a highschool nerd.

In the end I think my issue that led me off it was that it just ended up being a) judgmental and b) like you, finding that I was just not right enough to justify it!

When I ran into more of those types (our types?) Who are a dime a dozen in a college engineering department my goto quip was:

The scientific method is the admission that rationality and logic are limited; they're just the first step — forming a hypothesis. The rest of it is about how your rationality and logic failed you.

I think this is partially why you find many rationalist and skeptic types not actually doing any science. They haven't had the humility beat into them by science yet, haha.

Re: Scott Alexander's correction on ivermectin and its meaning for the rationalists

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People should consider the possibility that this is parody.

I thought so too. Then I saw them in the rest of this thread.

I still can't tell if it's sincere or not, but it cast doubt on my absolute certainty that this post was parody.

Re: Scott Alexander's correction on ivermectin and its meaning for the rationalists

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People should consider the possibility that this is parody.

I thought so too. Then I saw them in the rest of this thread. I still can't tell if it's sincere or not, but it cast doubt on my absolute certainty that this post was parody.

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Re: Scott Alexander's correction on ivermectin and its meaning for the rationalists

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This article was a bit long-winded, but it makes a very fair point and I don't understand why it was flagged.

it's not complicated: people don't like heresy. notice how there are zero comments on this page that deal with the substance of the article in question, instead choosing to find various surface-level reasons unrelated to the findings in the article as cause to internally dismiss it. if the content of the article was not heresy and instead came from some trusted scientific authority, this would not be the case.

Yes. I would have written exactly what you did here, but then I’d probably have to fend off the comments you are referring to.

So I worded it more diplomatically, or ambiguously.

Shame; it’s interesting to get challenged. At least I got to read it before it got flushed.

Re: Scott Alexander's correction on ivermectin and its meaning for the rationalists

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The "Do Your Own Research" title is about where he lost me. Without reading, I'm pretty sure the author didn't perform a double blind study himself, nor is he suggesting that we all perform one. The rest reads like gibberish.

Researchers pretty regularly do meta-studies and call it research so that seems a poor basis on which to dismiss the article.

Re: Scott Alexander's correction on ivermectin and its meaning for the rationalists

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post #70

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I used to think of myself as a rationalist, but after being wrong a few times in some passionate internet arguments I began to think about what it would mean to truly be a rationalist, and given my understanding of the fallibility of the human brain (evidenced by reproduced/reliable psychological studies), the best way to be rational would be to assume that I myself am not 100% rational (in the same sense that nobody…

Another thing which helps is to not just automatically have an opinion on everything, even if somewhat informed. It's ok to say "I don't know, this is very complex, even if I spent many hours reading about this matter". Too many rationalists just go with the option which seems a bit more plausible and then behave as if they have near certainty.

So much this! But there is way too much emphasis on opinions, when frankly, unless someone is deeply invested in the given topic, it is likely worthless. And unfortunately, the less knowledgeable someone is, the more likely he/she has a very strong and vocal opinion on the topic.
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