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Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by inopinatus »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #68
freediver wrote: post #4

Founder here, it was quite a journey very excited to be launching beta today with payments. The idea of paying for web search was unimaginable three years ago when we started this. AMA!

Any plans to revisit the pricing? I've in the Kagi beta for months and it's way better than DDG, but it's hard to justify US$120/year when Google is free.

I don't have a sense that Google is free, because I feel mugged by special interests every time I use it.

My marginal resources aren't dollars, they are time & energy.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by Anunayj »

nine_k wrote: post #78

> But it costs us about $1 to process 80 searches. > At $10/month, the price does not even cover our cost for average use, and we are basically betting that average use will go down a bit with time because during beta people may be searching more than normal Oh. I'd say that if I switched to Kagi as to the main search engine, I would increase the number of searches I make. And I definitely do many dozens a day. Their…

I do not understand why anyone who only does 2-3 searches a day would pay 10$ a month for a search engine though?

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by PausGreat »

sph wrote: post #9

I've been evaluating Kagi for a couple weeks, I'm liking it, but today I'm completely sold. I've been doing a niche, technical search this morning: trying to figure out if Emacs and TRAMP can be made to work with flatpak-spawn. Google returned a ton of unrelated posts and I had to tell it to stop ignoring my search terms. Kagi returned the only relevant page: a comment on a Github issue that Google wasn't able to fin…

Brave has the same results as Google

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by thematrixturtle »

function_seven wrote: post #64
ziml77 wrote: post #58

Been using Kagi for a few months now and, unlike when I used DDG, it's rare that I feel the need to fall back to Google. I guess now is where we see if Kagi's model can actually work. Will people pay money for a search engine when all other major players in the space don't transact with users in cash? I definitely hope for their success!

My experience matches yours. When I was using DDG, it was mostly sufficient. I'd fall back on Google a few times a month. I haven't yet done that with Kagi. I just entered my CC details into Kagi (using Orion, natch). I hope more people follow suit. I really want this model to succeed.

Kagi's quite good for general purpose searches, but there's a number of specific queries where it falls down: timezones ("9AM SF in Tokyo") and currency conversions ("100000 JPY in USD") are two big ones for me.

It would be great if Kagi could open source the engine that powers these queries, so people could contribute their own features.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by ashton314 »

freediver wrote: post #4

Founder here, it was quite a journey very excited to be launching beta today with payments. The idea of paying for web search was unimaginable three years ago when we started this. AMA!

What makes processing searches so expensive? I see elsewhere in this forum that it’s $1/80 searches. I’m just curious what part of your infra is costing you so much.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by NobodyNada »

I’ve been using Kagi for about a week and it’s been awesome! Absolutely no complaints so far...except that I still don’t know how to pronounce it.

> - How do you pronounce Kagi?

> It is Kah-gee, and it means “key” in Japanese.

Is that gee with a soft “g”, like the gee in “gee golly”? (An IPA spelling would go a long way here.)

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by albatrosstrophy »

ziml77 wrote: post #58

Been using Kagi for a few months now and, unlike when I used DDG, it's rare that I feel the need to fall back to Google. I guess now is where we see if Kagi's model can actually work. Will people pay money for a search engine when all other major players in the space don't transact with users in cash? I definitely hope for their success!

Been using Kagi too. Search results are pretty decent, and sometimes better. Problem is that I need Google almost exclusively for shopping and price comparison. Wonder if there's any other websites that can replicate this (non-US).

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by brezelgoring »

NobodyNada wrote: post #87

I’ve been using Kagi for about a week and it’s been awesome! Absolutely no complaints so far...except that I still don’t know how to pronounce it. > - How do you pronounce Kagi? > It is Kah-gee, and it means “key” in Japanese. Is that gee with a soft “g”, like the gee in “gee golly”? (An IPA spelling would go a long way here.)

Hard G. To use your example, as in golly. /Kagɜ;/ I think

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by jazzyjackson »

I'm very happy with Orion's performance on Mac, the built-in content blockers do a great job and don't get in the way. I had some issues getting password autofill to work but just needed to import them from safari.

Updated from 0.99.114 to 0.99.115 and I think they worked out a lot of bugs with the built-in tree-style tabs, so I'm enjoying those again.

The Shift-CMD-F "focus mode" is a nice upgrade from safari too, which doesn't have a proper full screen mode afaict

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