You see, this is how you do job interview, not waiting for some HR schmuck to ask you leetcode questions over the span of 6 months.
[deleted]
A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
81–90 of 296 posts
Re: A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
#82The objective of computer security seems to have shifted from preventing someone else from running unauthoirzed software on your computer to preventing you from running unauthorized software on your computer. I would not describe this as security.
I would guess you have never worked as a technical suppport for your family’s computers? Because even if I very much understand your point, not being able to run untrusted code absolutely is a security advancement in certain situations. It is SO refreshing and liberating to be able to say: Do whatever you want with it, it’s very hard to damage on the software side.
[deleted]
Re: A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
#83The objective of computer security seems to have shifted from preventing someone else from running unauthoirzed software on your computer to preventing you from running unauthorized software on your computer. I would not describe this as security.
I think the fact that Apple is a multi trillion dollar company from using basically that move plus aggressive marketing itself as high value means I'd expect more to try it. Luckily Linux exists to prevent the complete Appleization of computing (even if we did already lose cell phones to greed).
Re: A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's weird in my later 20s I started doing this, writing homophones. I at least get my then/their/effect right still.
I think this mostly happens to native English speakers for some unimaginable reason. I don't remember ever making this mistake (but do remember plenty others to make up for it), and can't imagine myself doing it. Yet it happens to native speakers all the time.
> I don't remember ever making this mistake (but do remember plenty others to make up for it), and can't imagine myself doing it. Yet it happens to native speakers all the time.
I used to think that, too. But now my fingers just type the words as I hear them spoken in my mind, and that seems to occasionally produce homophones.
Kinda fascinating what this says about our language processing, to be honest!
Re: A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
#85Wow, it is surprising how awful every last bit of Zircon code reproduced here is. I have to guess the rest is about as bad. This dreck would never pass code review at my shop.
Downvote all you like, it is bad code all the same.
If you said why, you'd be less likely to get downvoted. Hand-waving assertions of "that dreck" are not well judged.
Re: A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
#86The objective of computer security seems to have shifted from preventing someone else from running unauthoirzed software on your computer to preventing you from running unauthorized software on your computer. I would not describe this as security.
I would guess you have never worked as a technical suppport for your family’s computers? Because even if I very much understand your point, not being able to run untrusted code absolutely is a security advancement in certain situations. It is SO refreshing and liberating to be able to say: Do whatever you want with it, it’s very hard to damage on the software side.
Instead of ruining computing forever, you could just say no to your imaginary family of people incapable of learning. Boundaries!
Re: A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you are downvoted because you touch on the BLM/Asian Pacific stuff, which tickles people. But yeah you are also very right.
Just because they have those banners up doesn't mean those point to some latent reason for whatever is responsible for their woes. Granted it gives a window in to the culture of the Fuschia team at Google, but to me, personally, it doesn't come off as virtue-signalling at all but rather a conscious effort to put diversity and inclusion in the front and center of what they do. As another example, Google has had socio-…
It's relevant because it reflects their priorities and how they view developers.
The giant banners say this: although these are technical docs you may need to do your job, the most important thing you must see above all is an announcement of how morally pure we (think we) are. Once isn't enough. On our blog isn't enough. It must be the biggest and most eyecatching thing on literally every single page of our documentation. This indicates a lack of respect for the time and attention of devs. The implementation is also incompetent - the banner text appears to have leaked into search result snippets, thus reducing the utility of their docs search engine.
When Steve Ballmer jumped around on stage yelling "developers! developers! developers!" he was ridiculed because the outburst of energy seemed absurd and out of place for a CEO. But many of us appreciated the sentiment - that if you're developing an operating system then developers matter and their time/attention matters. Ballmer knew that. Platforms aren't chicken/egg situations where it's unclear what comes first. Apps come first. Users come for the apps. Then more apps come to follow those early adopter users, but ultimately, there had to be some apps to kick things off.
When the first thing you see at the top of the Fuschia docs is something totally unrelated to programming / the reason you were at that site, and which is irrelevant to most of the world as well, this sends a powerful message that the Fuschia devs are:
a. Staggeringly US centric. Their mindset isn't international at all. This is offputting to those of us outside the US. Fuschia's front page claims it's "an inclusive, open source effort". Not only have they never even tested it with a non-English locale, but they ignored the critical locale bug for so long other people had to fork the project to even make the emulator start up for non-English users [1]. That's about as non-inclusive as you can get yet is also absolutely predictable. Did we really need the blog to tell us that? Not really, we could guess it quite easily. The sort of people who demand such banners always seem to be hypocrites. It's called virtue signalling for a reason - people who do it announce their principles but never seem to live by them.
b. Not really rewarded for making developers happy. It reinforces a general impression about modern Google, that the personal success of the employees and executives is tied to things like the size of a giant black banner as much as whether their kernel is secure or their API docs are actually accurate.
c. As such extremely likely to manipulate their platform to prioritize the happiness of activists over that of developers. It's a bold statement of ideological allegiance. Who in their right mind is going to write an app for Fuschia that's braver than a shopping cart when they see that? Nobody smart, because you can guess what will happen if Fuschia actually does get apps: half of them will end up banned for some inane, impossible to understand reason, probably related to mundane use of language that's inexplicably become unacceptable since yesterday in California. The financial risk of developing for this platform is huge.
BTW: the Google doodles are pretty political these days, but in the beginning they were mostly reflecting things like national holidays.
Re: A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
#88It sounds like a really bad idea to have all software "components" be resolved, downloaded, and executed from over the internet. Seems like a supply chain/waterhole attack just waiting to happen.
Not to mention it would seem to sign away the devices ability to act autonomously or offline. Of course, with my views of Google, it seems very like them to design everything to constantly rely on them to even function.
Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
Re: A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would guess you have never worked as a technical suppport for your family’s computers? Because even if I very much understand your point, not being able to run untrusted code absolutely is a security advancement in certain situations. It is SO refreshing and liberating to be able to say: Do whatever you want with it, it’s very hard to damage on the software side.
Agreed. However should Operating Systems for consumers only really cater to that use case? Because that is the problem IMO.
Yes, because the PR requires there be no ground given on this talking point.
Re: A Kernel Hacker Meets Fuchsia OS
#90It sounds like a really bad idea to have all software "components" be resolved, downloaded, and executed from over the internet. Seems like a supply chain/waterhole attack just waiting to happen. Not to mention it would seem to sign away the devices ability to act autonomously or offline. Of course, with my views of Google, it seems very like them to design everything to constantly rely on them to even function. Corr…
I would tend to agree, unless pinning is enforced/the default.