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Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by duxup »

mmh0000 wrote: post #28
gorgoiler wrote: post #3

The idea of HOAs having any kind of say feels so undemocratic, but not in a standard way. We should not tolerate purely popular democracies. We allow representative democracies, and part of that public contract is for our leaders to represent all those in their constituency, not just those who voted for them. That means those in the minority. The crazy guy growing gourds instead of a lawn. The loon with the purple ho…

When I bought my first house, I purposefully avoided any neighborhood with an HOA because of all the internet scare mongering I had heard over the years. After ten years of one neighbor parking cars on their lawn, another growing more weeds than blades of grass, and another with 8 vehicles parked along the street I was done. When I bought my second house I specifically wanted an HOA. After another 6 years, I couldn’t…

Yeah I had a neighbor who decided it was time to open his in home auto repair shop.

Fortunately the HoA board didn’t look kindly on it for a variety of reasons/ issues.

He eventually moved. I hope he found a good place with a big garage and fewer neighbors to do that thing.

Same with the rental party house (before the days of air bnb(but same issues)).

Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by fencepost »

My wife recently pointed out a real estate listing for a basement home very like the flat roof variant in the first part of the article. Not sure where she saw it, while in the same state it's rural.

I'd actually figured it as someone making the best of what was left after a tornado or other disaster.

Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by tomcam »

harshalizee wrote: post #27
tomcam wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those kinds of folk need representation the most. An understandable sentiment. How much are you willing to pay for it? If you have a $1.5 million mortgage and that loon shows up next door and paints their house purple, your house might lose $300,000 in value. Same with the other neighbors, who also pay mortgages but aren’t as compassionate as you. What happens when your spouse gets a sudden offer to relocate and yo…

>What happens when your spouse gets a sudden offer to relocate and you can’t make your money back on the house? How is that someone else's problem? Ironically, in some areas around me properties without HOAs are priced and selling a couple of 100ks higher than ones within HOAs.

Where did I say it is someone else’s problem?

Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by lupire »

duxup wrote: post #81
mmh0000 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I bought my first house, I purposefully avoided any neighborhood with an HOA because of all the internet scare mongering I had heard over the years. After ten years of one neighbor parking cars on their lawn, another growing more weeds than blades of grass, and another with 8 vehicles parked along the street I was done. When I bought my second house I specifically wanted an HOA. After another 6 years, I couldn’t…

Yeah I had a neighbor who decided it was time to open his in home auto repair shop. Fortunately the HoA board didn’t look kindly on it for a variety of reasons/ issues. He eventually moved. I hope he found a good place with a big garage and fewer neighbors to do that thing. Same with the rental party house (before the days of air bnb(but same issues)).

Aren't those cases covered by zoning laws?

Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by lupire »

com2kid wrote: post #64
cm2012 wrote: post #62

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Yeah, I get people wanting HOAs to maintain property values (Though I am not one of them, I chose a neighborhood with no HOA on purpose). I don't get people who genuinely care for its own sake about their neighbors lawn having weeds. Or the house having an unusual paint color. Who cares??

> I don't get people who genuinely care for its own sake about their neighbors lawn having weeds. Certain types of invasive plans are noxious, outright poisonous, encourage hay fever, or just spread so fast that they can end up destroying neighbor's yards as well. Plants don't obey property lines. Edit: Unkempt yards can also be breeding ground for pests. From mosquitoes in still water to hoards of rats. Most people…

These are all already torts or illegal under municipal law.

Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by lupire »

voakbasda wrote: post #71
cm2012 wrote: post #62

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Yeah, I get people wanting HOAs to maintain property values (Though I am not one of them, I chose a neighborhood with no HOA on purpose). I don't get people who genuinely care for its own sake about their neighbors lawn having weeds. Or the house having an unusual paint color. Who cares??

Weed seeds blow across property lines and create problems for other people. It creates an undue burden on those that want to maintain a garden or other curated flora.

Maybe going to war against natural native plants is a losing battle...

Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by gardenmwm »

rayiner wrote: post #68
mmh0000 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I bought my first house, I purposefully avoided any neighborhood with an HOA because of all the internet scare mongering I had heard over the years. After ten years of one neighbor parking cars on their lawn, another growing more weeds than blades of grass, and another with 8 vehicles parked along the street I was done. When I bought my second house I specifically wanted an HOA. After another 6 years, I couldn’t…

The road example I get, but why do you care what other people do on their property? We bought our house in 2016, next to an old tear down house. (I’m talking about plants growing inside because the roof doesn’t keep the water out.) Recently someone bought the house, tore it down, and built a million dollar house in its place. The other day, he gets into a fight with my wife—over various things, but among them the fac…

Because other peoples property effects my my property, in value and enjoyment.

Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by rmatt2000 »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #49
HarryHirsch wrote: post #41

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What business does a bunch of Wikipedia admins have to rule what I can plant in my own backyard. Mind, I get concerns about invasive plants, water conservation or agricultural pathogens, but that's not what HOA's are usually about. They will tell you you can't paint your shed pink.

Wikipedia admins? I agree this restriction is ridiculous. I don’t know the purpose except maybe to make the neighborhood all look the same.

The three sets Wikipedia admins, HOA board members, and Karens have an intersection with a large cardinality.

Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by op00to »

gardenmwm wrote: post #87
rayiner wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The road example I get, but why do you care what other people do on their property? We bought our house in 2016, next to an old tear down house. (I’m talking about plants growing inside because the roof doesn’t keep the water out.) Recently someone bought the house, tore it down, and built a million dollar house in its place. The other day, he gets into a fight with my wife—over various things, but among them the fac…

Because other peoples property effects my my property, in value and enjoyment.

What if they enjoy cars?

Re: Grandpa’s Basement House

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Post by JackFr »

lupire wrote: post #84
duxup wrote: post #81

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Yeah I had a neighbor who decided it was time to open his in home auto repair shop. Fortunately the HoA board didn’t look kindly on it for a variety of reasons/ issues. He eventually moved. I hope he found a good place with a big garage and fewer neighbors to do that thing. Same with the rental party house (before the days of air bnb(but same issues)).

Aren't those cases covered by zoning laws?

It turns out comprehensive zoning laws are not universal. HOAs are typically a response to inadequate (or at least perceived inadequate) zoning regulation.

However the concept of nuisance has existed in the common law for centuries and insofar as someone’s behavior might be a nuisance it has always been actionable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuisance_in_English_law

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