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Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by buro9 »

rezonant wrote: post #25

This is almost certainly a firewall rule put in place by the operators of that site. My own sites which are protected with Cloudflare do not exhibit this behavior when using Firefox.

This.

I used to work there, and there wasn't a global "do this for this browser" (except for a little bit to reduce annoyance specifically for the Tor browser).

It is almost 99% certain to be a site operator firewall rule based on the browser user agent. This may even be accidental, they may have been hit by an aggressive bot using a UA string that matches Firefox and the site operator may not even realise they've done this (if they use Chrome, which is likely).

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by marcosdumay »

detritus wrote: post #24
Aachen wrote: post #2

I mean, with that market share, popularity among open source fans... it's an easy group to target and filter oddballs. I'm a Firefox user and I'm used to this treatment at every step of the way, no matter if it's about software, airports, opening a bank account so I can receive a salary, etc. Fundamental things everyone wants to do are being made hard to do the right way. It's always anti privacy, anti self repair, a…

Really? I'm a firefox user too and whilst I occasionally bump into some situation as you describe where I need to hop onto Chrome, I genuinely can't remember the last time this happened. Nope, actually - sometime last year, with some poorly-coded gig ticket purchase thing, if I remember right. I was able to check the code and amend some stupid niggle in WebDev tools to get around it. Not saying I should have to accep…

I certainly do not see it on the frequency the GP is talking about. But it's there. Every once in a while there is a site that insists on throwing you into infinite captchas, on requiring some extra information, or just refusing to work just because Firefox won't spy on me for their benefit.

I also do really not experience it "regularly", but different people visit different sites.

That said, the one problem I get most often is this Cloudfare one.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by tyrfing »

robonerd wrote: post #16

We're regressing to a state reminiscent of the dark IE years. Except back then when you suggested alternative browsers, people were generally receptive once they saw the practical utility of features like tabs. Now when you suggest alternative browsers, people complain about tens of milliseconds more latency and insist on using Chrome for the speed. It's hard to blame them though, since the practical advantages of Fi…

That ship sailed when developers collectively decided that browsers should be complete reimplementations of the entire operating system, and anything less was hopelessly broken. With a barrier to entry so high that trillion dollar companies don't find it worth the investment, it's no surprise that the last independent implementation is struggling to keep up.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by robonerd »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #75
robonerd wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you're a mathematician or a cryptographer who's qualified to verify these claims, I think all of this amounts to "trust us."

You have to trust a whole lot of companies to get onto and use the Internet. Or just use everyday technology. I don't see why this is different.

> You have to trust a whole lot of companies to get onto and use the Internet.

Obviously, I wouldn't dream of asserting otherwise. My point is that for the vast majority of the population, a paragraph of technogibberish about cryptography doesn't fundamentally change anything, you're still reliant on trust. To most people, that paragraph is worth about as much as a basic promise. The worth of that statement is derived from whatever trust is had in the corporation and the ability of academics and regulators to stay on the ball and keep corporations in check.

If somebody who isn't a cryptographer has decided not to trust Cloudflare and not to trust the rest of society to keep a company like Cloudflare in check, then that whole explanation isn't worth much. It's boils down to saying "Just trust me" in response to somebody who just said "I don't trust you."

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by throwlllllllll »

Aachen wrote: post #2

I mean, with that market share, popularity among open source fans... it's an easy group to target and filter oddballs. I'm a Firefox user and I'm used to this treatment at every step of the way, no matter if it's about software, airports, opening a bank account so I can receive a salary, etc. Fundamental things everyone wants to do are being made hard to do the right way. It's always anti privacy, anti self repair, a…

Don't get me started on banks and accounts! It's like they WANT me to take the simple, easy, forbidden paths.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by phh »

Aachen wrote: post #2

I mean, with that market share, popularity among open source fans... it's an easy group to target and filter oddballs. I'm a Firefox user and I'm used to this treatment at every step of the way, no matter if it's about software, airports, opening a bank account so I can receive a salary, etc. Fundamental things everyone wants to do are being made hard to do the right way. It's always anti privacy, anti self repair, a…

My personal experience is that I do fallback some sites to testing in Chrome quite often, maybe once a week. But the number of times where using Chrome actually fixed the issue is maybe once a year? Really, it's just that I stumble on quite a number of broken websites.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by simion314 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #42
pjmlp wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if FOSS fans don't like it, it is iOS/Safari that is the last block preventing the Web platform to be finally renamed to Chrome OS.

Unfortunately there are literally activists promoted to ending that final stand protecting the open web.

The reality is people want freedom to use Firefox or Chrome in iOs, they don't want a monopoly , imagine if Microsoft would not have allowed you to install a third pary browser unless it uses their engine and it accepts their rules, then we would all still use IE6 but with different themes and superficial features.

Safari needs to implement the standards and offer decent performance, adding on top of that very good integration with the OS and it should win on Apple OSes.

Also Apple users please demand Apple to sacrifice a bit of their profit and offer web developers some way to test their websites/code on Safari(including Betas for free) , either by providing test virtual machines images or some Web Based service. Safari Beta not only requiers you have Apple hardware and OS it requires you update to latest version (you maybe don't want to be forced to latest version).

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by NelsonMinar »

Cloudflare provides service both for Firefox VPN and Firefox DNS over HTTP. Or at least did recently, I don't think anything's changed.

https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/privacy/cloudflare...

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox-private-networ...

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