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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Can existing customers "trade in" their old motherboards for the newer models, with credit applied to make it cheaper?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#82
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When I read this, I got really excited about a company having a well thought out, rational reason for a decision. And then I realized how sad that is.

What makes you think that people at Dell or HP don’t sit around and think about those tradeoffs?

They sell to different audiences though, so maybe optimize for different outcomes. I'd imagine DDR5 is much easier to sell to a "pro-sumer" who games on Windows vs. to a programmer who runs linux and can make an educated decision re: price/perf tradeoff.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#83
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I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Not a question for the announcement, but the location page is missing countries, for example Bulgaria. This prevents me from even telling you I want to order form here (Bulgaria).

https://frame.work/locale/edit

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#85

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> Any news on plans for AMD models? This is the only thing stopping me from getting a Framework laptop right now. I'd pay a premium for it as well.

Why is AMD so important to you? Are there any instruction set extensions these days that are only available on AMD? I can only think of things that are the other way around - only on Intel. And if you need something niche like some SIMD extension I guess you're running a server not a laptop?

I think it goes something like this:

- no Management Engine

- chips that don't turbo boost themselves into throttling

- not supporting a company with a toxic approach to business

I believe AMD outperforms Intel when you're targeting mobile performance/battery life, rather than "moar CPU" workloads. Though that might change now that Intel is using their own approach to performance cores. Still, given the last decade of Intel development, they don't exactly have my trust that they'll execute performance cores without serious hiccups.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Not a question for the announcement, but the location page is missing countries, for example Bulgaria. This prevents me from even telling you I want to order form here (Bulgaria). https://frame.work/locale/edit

Thanks, captured on our internal bug tracker.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#88
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> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…

Had this issue with System76, which offers NVIDIA cards that suck on Linux, and various hardware that requires firmware not in the linux kernel or anywhere else, where you have to install and update that firmware separately (like windows). All they make are Linux computers and they couldn't/didn't/wouldn't for some reason produce a laptop that just natively worked.

Recently I built a new PC, and after having Nvidia driver issues for years on my old PC, I decided I'd go AMD instead.

After at least 10 years using Linux, I'm back to Windows.

The main issue I had was a very intermittent flicker on my screen when I'm on 144Hz. This happened on Wayland and X11. Almost every single distribution had this issue; OpenSUSE, Fedora, Arch (and derivatives), Debian, PopOS.

The only distribution where this wasn't a problem was Ubuntu which worked great for a while, but I updated and had a few issues. Also, realised after briefly trying other distributions that Snaps were really slow, so I just couldn't stay with Ubuntu. I tried disabling Snaps, but then the store broke and the non-snap store kept crashing (I generally install software via terminal but it's nice to browse and see what's out there occasionally).

Oddly, I've found Windows 11 mostly okay - at least I have no flicker at 144Hz.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#90
post #11

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Any chance of ortholinear (grid) keyboards happening?

We've gotten requests from a couple of ortholinear keyboard makers on it. With our current Input Cover design, it is technically possible to do, but would have fixed costs that would be extremely difficult to amortize over the number of units we could realistically sell. Because of that, we don't have any active plans for this.

Would it be reasonable to test the waters with a survey or some form of group buy campaign? For example, if at least ~5k people preorder an ortholinear input cover for ~$200 you will produce one. (Or whatever numbers are required for you to break even.)

And of course if the campaign fails then you can at least say you tried.

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