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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

#81

Always the same argument to open doors for mass surveillance. https://youtu.be/RybNI0KB1bg

Totally off topic ... I am to a certain degree curious what video hides behind this link. Maybe I'd even want to watch it.

But at the same time I am too turned off by the fact that I'd actually need to visit the link just to learn the title of this video to actually do the click.

Ever felt the same?

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

#82
rather than playing all these games later trying to catch and track it, i can't help but wonder if it could be better halted by training kids early on when and how to get help to stop it before it's produced.

otherwise it seems it will just be this technological cat and mouse game that destroys privacy rights and empowers bad actors to plant it maliciously (swatting 2.0).

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

#83

I'd love to know what percentage of those CSAM numbers are inflated by 14-17 yrs old sharing their own pictures (and their SOs leaking to someone else w/o permission) versus what most of the people imagine when government yells "CP!!!"

Just so you’re aware. That is actually illegal and those teens sending pictures to other teens can (and are) prosecuted.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

#84

Does anyone know why the EU is doing this? Everyone knows that the children thing is a pathetic excuse, but why do they want surveillance? I highly doubt that messaging is a big risk to EU stability. So why make such an effort?

it's the same as the abortion issue. there are a lot of people who honestly sincerely earnestly believe in it. then there are those who share this belief but see it as part of something bigger.

this last group is the fucking fascist small dick energy idiots, who believe in order based on a hierarchy of people, classes, races, countries, etc...

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

#85
post #82

rather than playing all these games later trying to catch and track it, i can't help but wonder if it could be better halted by training kids early on when and how to get help to stop it before it's produced. otherwise it seems it will just be this technological cat and mouse game that destroys privacy rights and empowers bad actors to plant it maliciously (swatting 2.0).

At least for The Netherlands, this is what used to happen (and I still hope it is). School educated on various topics regarding power dynamics in relationships and the problems that can spawn forth from it.

Of course, some teens are going to get tempted and do stupid things either way. Imagine the least innocent thing you know about your peers back in those days, many will have likely been tempted to go off the deeper end in some way. It's difficult to give children safety and privacy when they actively seek to dare themselves and one another, not heed warnings, etc.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

#86
post #74

Their true motives are far from protecting kids. Otherwise, they would install security cameras inside all corners in all churches in the continent, and, more importantly, enforce bodycam on pastors 24/7.

> cameras inside all corners in all churches in the continent, Because that's how you protect people privacy, right??? Why not put military personnel in every corner of every street and check if people have the "approved by the government" tattoo on their wrists?

> Because that's how you protect people privacy, right???

I'm not promoting such practices. In fact, I was just trying to use the legislators logic: if they are truthful about their "protecting children" slogan, let them start their policing where the predators are most likely to be found instead of targeting the entire population.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

#87
post #82

rather than playing all these games later trying to catch and track it, i can't help but wonder if it could be better halted by training kids early on when and how to get help to stop it before it's produced. otherwise it seems it will just be this technological cat and mouse game that destroys privacy rights and empowers bad actors to plant it maliciously (swatting 2.0).

At least for The Netherlands, this is what used to happen (and I still hope it is). School educated on various topics regarding power dynamics in relationships and the problems that can spawn forth from it. Of course, some teens are going to get tempted and do stupid things either way. Imagine the least innocent thing you know about your peers back in those days, many will have likely been tempted to go off the deepe…

wait, what? they taught children pedagogically about how not to be manipulated or controlled in a general sense?

what an incredibly enlightened idea! was it any good? did it work?

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

#89
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cameras inside all corners in all churches in the continent, Because that's how you protect people privacy, right??? Why not put military personnel in every corner of every street and check if people have the "approved by the government" tattoo on their wrists?

> Because that's how you protect people privacy, right??? I'm not promoting such practices. In fact, I was just trying to use the legislators logic: if they are truthful about their "protecting children" slogan, let them start their policing where the predators are most likely to be found instead of targeting the entire population.

> if they are truthful about their "protecting children" slogan,

they would try to solve it as they see fit.

legislators are voted by the people, with many different ideas. they aren't a caste disconnected by the rest of the World.

especially in EU institutions where is much harder to make a career over lobbying for some local interest.

Worst politicians in Europe work in national parliaments.

> let them start their policing where the predators are

You mean in their houses, where the vast majority of the abuses take place?

Please, don't post simplistic vox populi stuff.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

#90
post #83

I'd love to know what percentage of those CSAM numbers are inflated by 14-17 yrs old sharing their own pictures (and their SOs leaking to someone else w/o permission) versus what most of the people imagine when government yells "CP!!!"

Just so you’re aware. That is actually illegal and those teens sending pictures to other teens can (and are) prosecuted.

This might not be universally true soon. The Netherlands proposed changing the law so teens are okay sexting one another as long as there is mutual consent and it's not to make money[0]. However, it has been stalled for a few years now. (I initially thought it was accepted, but now things are forecasted to be 2024). I also suspect that despite it being illegal, very little action is undertaken while the above requirements are still met.

I do not know about other EU countries.

[0]: https://www.mediawijsheid.nl/veelgestelde-vraag/is-sexting-s... (Dutch)

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