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How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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Unfashionable thought: pay your damn taxes. Loopholes are one thing and IMO should be closed but morality is another. The whole idea that you can make a billion dollar business without being hugely dependent on the infrastructure, education, history, societal background etc that has largely been paid for by...taxes...is utter fallacy. Maybe if massively profitable businesses spent a bit more time doing the right thin…

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Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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This isn't a loophole as much as a completely designed tax break. That's a different deal than some body squeaking around tax law; this was all about trying to change parts of the nature of capitalism's tendency to rerun money to capital more than to labor. If you think it's misguided, I do too. Though I think it's good to invest in under invested areas, I also think we need to counteract the effects of the Henry Geo…

Capitalism these days feels akin to joining a game of monopoly where everything has already been purchased. But feel free to have a jolly time going around the board and paying rent :)

Well, monopoly was introduced as satire in the first place in fact! A way to showcase some absurdities of capitalism

Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a loophole as much as a completely designed tax break. That's a different deal than some body squeaking around tax law; this was all about trying to change parts of the nature of capitalism's tendency to rerun money to capital more than to labor. If you think it's misguided, I do too. Though I think it's good to invest in under invested areas, I also think we need to counteract the effects of the Henry Geo…

Capitalism these days feels akin to joining a game of monopoly where everything has already been purchased. But feel free to have a jolly time going around the board and paying rent :)

That was the whole point for monopoly, to show how rigged the system is.

Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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This is gross.

This is an argument for either flat tax or a tax system without deductions, otherwise we will always have loopholes like this. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

I will always advocate for a simple cash wealth transfer via UBI and increasing tax rates to whatever amounts needed to accomplish it, and remove all deductions/credits/exemptions, etc.

But in the meantime, it still makes sense for me to play the game with the rules as they are.

Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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Is this really what people strive for in the USA. To avoid contributing anything back to the country that helped them achieve everything they've ever wanted?

I don't know why you're being downvoted. While I would commonly understand people want to avoid taxes, I think there's a real question in there: Why don't people want to contribute back to an environment that enabled their success? I have too many family members that will avoid acknowledging anything the government does for them. "The social contract."

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Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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post #72
post #68

Unfashionable thought: pay your damn taxes. Loopholes are one thing and IMO should be closed but morality is another. The whole idea that you can make a billion dollar business without being hugely dependent on the infrastructure, education, history, societal background etc that has largely been paid for by...taxes...is utter fallacy. Maybe if massively profitable businesses spent a bit more time doing the right thin…

This is HN. we welcome diversity of views. this view you espouse, is not actually a minority view, but still, its a divisive topic. I'm a high tax kinda guy. If we all had Norway taxes, we'd have Norway sovereign fund and EV and lifestyle (but maybe without SAD, because we're not all that far north)

Norwegian taxes are not too far off from CA or NY taxes to be honest. The marginal rate tops out at under 50%.

It’s worse for capital gains and they have a wealth taxes so a lot worse for some.

Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is HN. we welcome diversity of views. this view you espouse, is not actually a minority view, but still, its a divisive topic. I'm a high tax kinda guy. If we all had Norway taxes, we'd have Norway sovereign fund and EV and lifestyle (but maybe without SAD, because we're not all that far north)

Norway oil is way more relevant for your thesis than Norway taxes

So does Texas and Alaska, and even California?

Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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post #68

Unfashionable thought: pay your damn taxes. Loopholes are one thing and IMO should be closed but morality is another. The whole idea that you can make a billion dollar business without being hugely dependent on the infrastructure, education, history, societal background etc that has largely been paid for by...taxes...is utter fallacy. Maybe if massively profitable businesses spent a bit more time doing the right thin…

Have an upvote, I don't understand greed, why wouldn't you want to be in the fortunate position of having to pay CGT, it means things are going well.

Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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post #68

Unfashionable thought: pay your damn taxes. Loopholes are one thing and IMO should be closed but morality is another. The whole idea that you can make a billion dollar business without being hugely dependent on the infrastructure, education, history, societal background etc that has largely been paid for by...taxes...is utter fallacy. Maybe if massively profitable businesses spent a bit more time doing the right thin…

I agree with you personally, but really what we're talking about is playing sport against a team that continually bends and exploits the rules and comes out ahead. You can talk all you want about morality, but the facts are the facts.

Corporations have been doing it for decades, and anyone that doesn't do the same will continue to be taken advantage of.

Re: How to have a billion dollar exit with zero capital gains tax

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post #68

Unfashionable thought: pay your damn taxes. Loopholes are one thing and IMO should be closed but morality is another. The whole idea that you can make a billion dollar business without being hugely dependent on the infrastructure, education, history, societal background etc that has largely been paid for by...taxes...is utter fallacy. Maybe if massively profitable businesses spent a bit more time doing the right thin…

Infrastructure is just a sliver of the fed budget. Education is funded by property taxes, also a sliver. "History" and "societal background" has absolutely not been "paid for by taxes". If every working American contributed $8,000 in taxes we would have the same revenue as the insanely progressive system we have now. I don't think anyone here would advocate for zero taxes. I think they would simply advocate for less…

someone who has a billion dollar exit is in a somewhat better position to pay those taxes than a person scraping by on minimum wage. What you seem to be advocating for here is not less taxes but pushing the taxes downward to people who can less afford them.

Maybe instead the federal government could do inventive things like substantially cut the military budget.

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