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Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Subsistence farming is a nightmare, I can all but guarantee that no living subsistence farmer would choose that life over renting an apartment and having disposable income.

It's not that bad, and a lot of people like to own their own land rather than never get to own anything.

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Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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> we should empower individuals Does that mean that I now have to spend my time in the evening doing the "monolithic state apparatus'" job instead of going for a meal with my partner?

> Does that mean that I now have to spend my time in the evening doing the "monolithic state apparatus'" job instead of going for a meal with my partner? Yes. Because we are all responsible. But guess what, you'd be sharing the job with 7 billion other people, so the total workload would be like 5 minutes on a Thursday morning every other month. Could you spare that? Please read a book called "Leviathan" [1] by Thoma…

> Please read a book called "Leviathan" [1] by Thomas Hobbes and maybe a little of Jean Jacques Rousseau's "The Social Contract" [2] to balance it up.

The fact that you can bring up two books to support your opinion doesn't mean I agree with it. They are pretty much classics and anybody who was interested in philosophy would have already been familiar with it.

> Yes. Because we are all responsible. But guess what, you'd be sharing the job with 7 billion other people, so the total workload would be like 5 minutes on a Thursday morning every other month. Could you spare that?

You can't do serious politics spending 5 minutes on Thursday morning every other month. It takes me more time to plan my night commute back home on a Friday night.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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I stopped respecting the UN when they said they criticized Elon Musk for not giving them 6 billion dollars so that they could "solve world hunger". That's about as much as the state of Sweden donates to poverty every single year, and that is just Sweden alone. The total amount of charity donations worldwide is in the trillions of dollars yet there's always just more required. Bureaucrats with humanities degrees at th…

> I stopped respecting the UN when they said they criticized Elon Musk The UN isn't perfect but it sure as hell better than no communication between countries at all. Elon Musk is insignificant compared to that, "I stopped respecting the biggest world forum when they criticised an egomaniac entrepreneur" jeez... > Bureaucrats with humanities degrees at the UN don't solve problems, if they were solved, their jobs woul…

>The UN isn't perfect but it sure as hell better than no communication between countries at all.

False equivalence, a typical error to defend something bad that it is in fact better than null, like we wouldnt have intercommunication without such a bureaucratic money sink

>Elon Musk is insignificant compared to that,

He writes, in a thread where the UN asks Elon for more money

>egomaniac entrepreneur"

Jealousy is such a pathethic feeling - Tolstoy

>Does it occurs to you that some problems can't be solved but only mitigated ?

Wrong again, world hunger can and will be solved, but not by the UN.

> it's like saying covid lockdowns

No proven effect to date

Amazing you managed to squeeze this many errors into one post.

>The UN have done more to the world than Musk or any other single individual will ever do

What has the UN done beside spending money ineffectively? Musk, and other does and practicioners as opposed to bureaucrats, has done far more for mankind than the UN.

>What do you imagine ? The UN work for 15 years, solve all of the world problems and retire ?

I would imagine that they would be more proffessional than claiming they could solve world hunger with 6 billion extra in a world of trillions for charity.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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I guess you missed the moment between 1950-2020s when our civilization transitioned from industrial to information society thanks to massive progress in IT. Super-optimistic approach to software design in that period of time has led us to the destructive mess of the social networks, cyberwarfare and buggy MCAS in Boeing 737 Max. EDIT: I also forgot to mention globalization, where optimism resulted in the supply chain…

I didn't miss the massive progress in IT. I mean, obviously I didn't, we're having this conversation on HN. However, progress in IT, in bits, while fine and useful, is simply not as powerful as progress in more basic industries, in atoms. Having the means to (over)feed seven billion people (1940s tech spread around the world) is more important than having the means to (mis)inform seven billion people (1980s tech spre…

It is not just about informing people, but also automation of many things. It is certainly more powerful transformation than invention of steam engine. It has transformed industry and agriculture on a similar scale, enabling many things that were not possible before, but it also transformed our society, changing the ways we communicate, learn, entertain and find partners.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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It's not that bad, and a lot of people like to own their own land rather than never get to own anything.

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I am not saying I would like to be a subsistence farmer, but I would give up a lot of things to own a house. And I mean actually own it, not a mortgage.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Coming from the UN, we already know what the answer will be. More governance, more/better management of risk by the UN that is then delegated to its administrative regions (the US, EU, etc). This is because as long as we are talking about risk, this plays into the hands of a global governance structure. All risks should be planned for and managed - I mean the covid response was fantastic, right? What was wrong was no…

we essentially have global anarchy in much of the world, where governments control very little. more of this is a recipe for more destruction.

We do not in fact have global anarchy in any significant part of the world. That's not what anarchy means. You're thinking of rampant cleptocracies and oligarchies. Anarchy is the absence of hierarchies, not just "the government is dysfunctional or extremely corrupt".

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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It's not a matter of broken risk perception but a matter of thirst for power by some who tried to push the accelerator and optimism feeling invincible to bend the society to their desire.

I call that the classic fallacy of the building contractor who think it's mix of quick actions and tolerance in the tech can do anything and scale to any level. The opposite effect of analyze-paralyze.

Beside that, the recent autarkic drive fueled much by the neoliberals need of overturn the table to remain in power against emerging powers that in the end use the same techniques in slightly different sauces BUT do have industries and/or natural resources the west have lost, is not a reversal of globalization is just the need for another cyclic world war to reset an unsustainable system avoid being rightly annihilated by a mass of angry people, the need for resource and the global exchange system is still the same. For anybody.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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They were incredibly disingenuous about the Elon Musk thing. He said he'd sell $6bn of Tesla stock and donate it if they could provide an open source plan to completely solve world hunger. They said they'd written a private plan to reduce world hunger then criticised him for not making the donation. Whatever you think of Elon, I don't think he acted in bad faith here.

No, Elon responded saying that if they could describe exactly how world hunger could be solved "on this Twitter thread" he would donate $6bn. Nothing to do with "open source", everything to do with making the request undeliverable (UN staff did of course tweet links to already-too-long-for-Twitter UN documents at him)

Considering the "plan" is a table with a list of countries and corresponding numbers that could easily fit on one image (who could have known it was this easy!), its actually very possible to fit into a twitter thread: https://www.wfp.org/stories/wfps-plan-support-42-million-peo...

In fact, a high schooler could have done the same job of multiplying x_starving_ppl_in_country * y_cost_of_food_one_year_per_person, so its quite suprising that it took them all this time to counter with their genius, open source plan

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Growth can't continue indefinitely. In fact a lot of growth today is actually fudging the numbers to make them look good.

innovation can?

Nope. One of the fudges is saying that a computer based on today's technology is more valuable than on from a couple years ago. I forget what this is called. But it's stupid and could be really abused to say a cellphone is a trillion dollar device, since that's what the processing power would have cost in 1980.

Maybe we should measure GDP via wages. Since all spending has to come from that anyway... not sure how to classify B2B transactions though, just thinking out loud.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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I guess you missed the moment between 1950-2020s when our civilization transitioned from industrial to information society thanks to massive progress in IT. Super-optimistic approach to software design in that period of time has led us to the destructive mess of the social networks, cyberwarfare and buggy MCAS in Boeing 737 Max. EDIT: I also forgot to mention globalization, where optimism resulted in the supply chain…

I didn't miss the massive progress in IT. I mean, obviously I didn't, we're having this conversation on HN. However, progress in IT, in bits, while fine and useful, is simply not as powerful as progress in more basic industries, in atoms. Having the means to (over)feed seven billion people (1940s tech spread around the world) is more important than having the means to (mis)inform seven billion people (1980s tech spre…

I can order a widget from literally the other side of the world or plan a party while taking a dump. Access to communications technology makes me a lot "richer" in a practical sense. Heads of state in the 1990s with tons of administrative labor at their disposal didn't have access to the same level of information and communication that normal people do today. The amount of man hours spent on "paper pushing and record keeping" type labor for a given end result has shrunk drastically making a level of "paper pushing and record keeping" that was formerly only the purview of states and large organizations available to the every-man.

Thanks to technological progress administrative paper pushing and clerical activity has become cheap enough for lots of people to have access to it the same way fresh produce became cheaply available over the 20th century.

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