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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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>a little over four years Full vest. Time to go. I've had WFH people around for more than 20 years at all the places I worked over that time. Mostly they were doing their job, yet there were always limits felt to what they can do and how much they can do.

Pretty much everyone who has them is at least considering--even relatively modest--vesting schedules when they make moves.

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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>a little over four years Full vest. Time to go. I've had WFH people around for more than 20 years at all the places I worked over that time. Mostly they were doing their job, yet there were always limits felt to what they can do and how much they can do.

Pretty much everyone who has them is at least considering--even relatively modest--vesting schedules when they make moves.

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I recently left Amazon for a fully remote position and that was my sole decision making factor.

I am working for Amazon, fully from home. Zero expectation to ever step into the office. Each organization within Amazon is taking a different approach, leading to a lot of variability. Throwing this information out there in case anyone is put off by assuming that Amazon is demanding a return to office.

I can vouch for this as I am the only east coast employee on my west coast team at AWS and I also have no expectation of moving to west coast or returning to office. I have spoken to managers on other teams around Amazon and flexibility is entirely dependent on your director/VP (the manager 1-2 levels above your group manager).

If you’re considering an offer from Amazon I suggest you make it very clear from the start to your hiring manager your expectations on remote work and working hours. Theres some teams at Amazon that are taking a strong return to office stance and others like mine that allow for fully remote.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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>a little over four years Full vest. Time to go. I've had WFH people around for more than 20 years at all the places I worked over that time. Mostly they were doing their job, yet there were always limits felt to what they can do and how much they can do.

Pretty much everyone who has them is at least considering--even relatively modest--vesting schedules when they make moves.

That is exactly my point. The RTO is just accidentally here and just makes for better sounding reason.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Do they leave them all the time because of a return-to-office policy?

Probably not. I really doubt that most people would give up a job in a satisfying office environment with people they truly enjoy working with on a product/project they are excited to work on everyday simply because of they are told they have to go in and meet those people they really groove with three times a week.

I’d be willing to commute about a mile to gain all of those things.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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> We deserve to have input into how we work best and if that means walking away from companies run by egomaniacs that need to see butts in seats, then so be it. The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is to organize your coworkers. You have much more bargaining power about your work conditions as an organized union. The history of unionization stems primarily from workers demanding safe working environments.

> You have much more bargaining power about your work conditions as an organized union. You also give away your power as an individual to those running the union.

Your biggest power, the option of resigning to work somewhere else, is still with you. You just get backup from the union for when you don't want to exercise that power.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We deserve to have input into how we work best and if that means walking away from companies run by egomaniacs that need to see butts in seats, then so be it. The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is to organize your coworkers. You have much more bargaining power about your work conditions as an organized union. The history of unionization stems primarily from workers demanding safe working environments.

> You have much more bargaining power about your work conditions as an organized union. You also give away your power as an individual to those running the union.

What power do you have as an individual in a company? Other than quitting, your leverage is extremely limited.
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