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Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter
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#83> CEO Tim Cook called in-person collaboration benefits "irreplaceable" and in an email, the executive team talked about the importance of "the serendipity that comes from bumping into colleagues" during in-person work. Another extroverted MBA who doesn't understand why many engineers need big, unbroken chunks of silence & concentration to do great work.
I think engineers tend to under-estimate how much of their work is communicating with other engineers.
Yes, you need that focus time. But running into someone on another team can be very valuable - you might learn that they're solving the same problem, you might learn that they're consuming the same API you're trying to figure out, you might learn that they're planning on working with your team in a few weeks, etc.
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Why not allow the flexibility to let both types of people do their best work though?
Maybe allow teams, but I don't think allowing individuals to choose isn't good. Having a team that's half remote/half in-person is worse of both worlds. What typically ends up happening IME is that the in-person half typically gets way way way more visibility than those working remote. It's especially worse if the company isn't remote first at all. It's especially terrible if the team is remotely distributed as well.…
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> Just because a tool is great for working remotely does not mean remote working is good. So lets say Apple doesn't believe "remote working" is good in general. Why would they be building tools for something they don't think is good?
I don’t see Apple claiming remote working is not good in general. They just don’t believe remote working is good for them. And again, Turkey creating great drones does not require them to believe war is good. This is a pretty straightforward logical fallacy.
> Turkey creating great drones does not require them to believe war is good.
I don’t think that’s the correct analogy. It’s more like Turkey creating great drones while also believing that drones are not an effective way to wage war.
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#86People want to have their cake and eat it too. Silicon Valley companies pay very well because cost of living is very high in the area and they _need_ to pay well to attract talent in that area. If remote work becomes the norm, pay will start to even out across the country. If you live in a place that didn't pay well before, you'll be better off, but if you live in a high cost of work area, you'll probably be worse of…
They pay well because demand for engineers is high. Cost of living is high because engineers have bought all the stock in the area. You've got the order backwards.
If they find that it's hard to attract talent, they'll also pay well for remote. But if they don't, angrily worded letters are not going to be the thing that makes the difference. People are going to have to start voting with their feet before Apple will see the supposed error of their compensation formula.
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#87Perhaps the most compelling argument was that Apple was being hypocritical in the way it markets its own products. "We tell all of our customers how great our products are for remote work, yet, we ourselves, cannot use them to work remotely?" the letter states.
What products do they market for remote work? The Apple Studio Display that has an integrated camera with the quality of a late 2000s flip phone?
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#88Hopefully they're putting effort into unionizing behind the scenes, because otherwise there's 0 chance Apple is going to say "sure everyone can choose to not show up to our brand new $5bn HQ"
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The full quote: > We tell all of our customers how great our products are for remote work, yet, we ourselves, cannot use them to work remotely? How can we expect our customers to take that seriously? How can we understand what problems of remote work need solving in our products if we don't live it? I'd have to agree. If you're building products and market them for "remote working", then you better have figured out r…
Just because a tool is great for working remotely does not mean remote working is good. Turkey marketing its drones as great for war does not mean Turkey is being hypocritical for saying that war isn’t good.
Your Turkey allegory isn't fitting due to "si vis pacem para bellum". Turkey can say war isn't good, and one of the best ways to dissuade potential enemies is by being good at war. Nothing similar is at play with Apple.
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They pay well because demand for engineers is high. Cost of living is high because engineers have bought all the stock in the area. You've got the order backwards.
If they find that it's hard to attract talent, they'll also pay well for remote. But if they don't, angrily worded letters are not going to be the thing that makes the difference. People are going to have to start voting with their feet before Apple will see the supposed error of their compensation formula.
Many companies are. Traditional, old school companies like Google and Apple are slow to move here, but many tech companies are moving to a "we pay you your value, not your cost of living".