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Re: Top navy admiral wants rust-free ships

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #37
edmundsauto wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This bias is a consequence of what Kahneman called “What You See Is All There Is.” It’s bad logic and ascribing signal when it’s actually projections of the observer. That isn’t to say there is no effect - people might start to see themselves as more disciplined if they look sharp. “Look good, play good”, as my coach used to say.

I love that book, but I’m not sure Kahneman would agree that it applies here when we are evaluating not whether an individual looks sharp (imagine a salesperson on commission) but instead whether the individual+their work/domain/communication is sharp. I find that to be a very valuable signal, and I’m struggling to imagine how I could be disagree with on this.

Well, it's fictional - the disheveled detective who always gets his culprit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbo

Re: Top navy admiral wants rust-free ships

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Post by maxerickson »

chromatin wrote: post #70
orzig wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know much more about healthcare than the Navy, but it’s notable that they both have rigid stratification between roles. I could imagine that hampering operational feedback loops in normal times, and strategic feedback loops given the labor supply/demand situation in these extraordinary times.

At least in healthcare, I doubt this is a major causative factor (presuming when you say roles you mean physicians and nurses) -- the physicians are extremely supportive of the nurses, and their demands for more pay and better conditions in all the healthcare settings I've worked. The real problem is the unaccountable bureaucratic management, which are neither physicians nor nurses, and the numbers of which continue…

It's driven (or at least exacerbated) by the physician shortage.

If it weren't profitable to have large numbers of staff per doctor, there wouldn't be large numbers of staff per doctor.

Re: Top navy admiral wants rust-free ships

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Post by [deleted] »

Victerius wrote: post #13
mysterydip wrote: post #6

> "An AKE like the Shepard should have 129 crewmembers in perfect conditions but they are now running at roughly 80% because of manning problems,” said another MSC officer. “About 20 in the deck department can be assigned to rust prevent duty. However, that crew is also assigned to Underway Replenishment duties. Three Unreps could easily eat away an entire day. When we return to port can we OSPHO? No. Can I send a cr…

Manning problems have existed for a decade, if not more. The Navy holds the sad record of being the worst managed branch of service. Steep budget cuts in the 1990s and again during sequestration have had severe effects that the Navy hasn't yet recovered from. But I don't know whether that's the cause of the problem. The Navy is an especially unique branch given that it's the only service that revolves around a relati…

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Re: Top navy admiral wants rust-free ships

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Post by ethbr0 »

killjoywashere wrote: post #41
sevensor wrote: post #17

This looks like the same phenomenon as the crisis in staffing nurses that was discussed here the other day. Careerist, indifferent management giving the people on the front line inadequate resources and then blaming them when things start to look shabby, or when someone dies. Scapegoating the people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, who are tired, inadequately trained, and inured to a climate of normaliz…

As a Navy physician who has dealt with COVID and fatigue, I think the chronic low pay contributes to a lack of people which leads to overwork, exhaustion, a sort of "this is my lot in life" acceptance of mild to moderate depression. And you get to the point you just look away for your own sanity. Healthcare workers get paid less as you get closer to the coasts. And military gets only very modest pay adjustments for h…

Great point! At the end of the day, we're talking about people. Highly trained people in Navy, medicine, and Navy medicine cases.

And people have limits, because they need lives and aren't robots.

Morale and aligning work to allow for happiness in life is a requirement for people bringing their best to work. If you ask people to toughen up and suffer through the suck to get the job done... there'd better be an eventual light at the end of that tunnel. Otherwise, it's just a death march.

PS: Thank you for your service, and especially through COVID.

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Post by flight3throw »

Victerius wrote: post #13
mysterydip wrote: post #6

> "An AKE like the Shepard should have 129 crewmembers in perfect conditions but they are now running at roughly 80% because of manning problems,” said another MSC officer. “About 20 in the deck department can be assigned to rust prevent duty. However, that crew is also assigned to Underway Replenishment duties. Three Unreps could easily eat away an entire day. When we return to port can we OSPHO? No. Can I send a cr…

Manning problems have existed for a decade, if not more. The Navy holds the sad record of being the worst managed branch of service. Steep budget cuts in the 1990s and again during sequestration have had severe effects that the Navy hasn't yet recovered from. But I don't know whether that's the cause of the problem. The Navy is an especially unique branch given that it's the only service that revolves around a relati…

> are proceeding smoothly, as are the Flight III destroyers.

I would strongly advise waiting until the first Flight III ship is going on deployment before making this claim.

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

Issaclabs wrote: post #44
1970-01-01 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chief of Naval Operations seems to care quite a lot. He commands a fairly large amount of respect in the entire world.

If I were to ask 10,000 people selected randomly from outside the US. What percentage do you think would be able to name the naval commander of the US? I'd bet it's very close to zero.

13%

Re: Top navy admiral wants rust-free ships

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Post by eunos »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #42

Wouldn't decommissioning solve these problems far better than building more new ships? Strange that is never a solution suggested by the navy.

Politically bad move since Chinese is rapidly increasing their fleet size. Sure there are many are other components of power like quality, tradition, supply chain and so on. But I'm emphasizing on Politic here.

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Post by bannedbybros »

eunos wrote: post #87
boomboomsubban wrote: post #42

Wouldn't decommissioning solve these problems far better than building more new ships? Strange that is never a solution suggested by the navy.

Politically bad move since Chinese is rapidly increasing their fleet size. Sure there are many are other components of power like quality, tradition, supply chain and so on. But I'm emphasizing on Politic here.

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