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What is a molten salt reactor?

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Usually Finland is mentioned. Norway has hydro, anyway. Archangelsk, Kamchatka, Siberia, Fairbanks. McMurdo Station. There are places. They seem to do OK importing liquid fuel. Dunno why they would have to stop.

This just released: How Finland can plan to phase out fossil fuels https://tupa.gtk.fi/raportti/arkisto/18_2022.pdf

Shame they waste attention on biomass.

Re: What is a molten salt reactor?

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I’m in the process of installing solar panels and storage for exactly this reason. There are things I want to do at home, running servers, air conditioning etc. that are prohibitively expensive and unnecessarily polluting under current conditions that I’d love to be able to run without thinking about it.

Yup, exactly! I am up to a little over 6 kilowatts peak and 20 KWh installed and I haven't drawn from the grid in months. My next stop is 14 kilowatts peak and 36 KWh. With any luck I'll be able to leave my pool warm for 6 months of the year and remain off-grid.

Hey. This is interesting for me. I now have a 6 kWh panel that are on grid for reverse metering.

Then I replaced the inverter with phocos one so that it will work without batteries in off grid mode.

I have thought quite a bit about water batteries, I want to install 200-400 Litre water solar heater so that my electric energy is reduced even more.

No batteries yet because they cost a fortune.

My idea was to heat say 500 Litre water tank in my basement with solar water + solar electric and pass that water through the central heating piping through he home but installer tells me the heat won't be there in this "water battery".

Re: What is a molten salt reactor?

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It is easy to lie by mis-citing sources. Read what the sources say, not what he says.

It's easy to throw around accusations that other people are lieing, but it seems counterproductive to having healthy debate on here.

It is more than enough work just pointing it out each time he posts a falsehood.

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See also my thorium myths page https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium-myths.html

I've been hearing for years now how fantastic Thorium is, but with every new article, I wonder: so where are all these new fantastic Thorium plants? If they still don't exist, then surely that suggests it doesn't work, doesn't it?

No, we know Dyson spheres work too... We just didn't get around to building one yet.

Re: What is a molten salt reactor?

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> In essence, a molten salt reactor [MSR] is a vessel that contains a hot liquid salt which a nuclear reaction takes place

The tl;dr on the page is missing a crucial word near "which", making the sentence nonsensical to me.

Re: What is a molten salt reactor?

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This boldly claims that molten salt reactors are safe, but my understanding is that these systems require carefully engineered coatings to function and that in practice every such system has leaked liquid sodium. The statement may be essentially true kind of like saying elevators are safe, but there is still room for risk analysis and expectation of occasional failures.

Storing and piping molten salt proved too unreliable for the Crescent Dunes solar collector. Swapping out the simple and free heat source with a much more complex nuclear reactor doesn’t seem like a good idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_Dunes_Solar_Energy_Pr...

There are multiple other solar plants operating with molten salts without issue, including the biggest in Morocco.

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See also my thorium myths page https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium-myths.html

I've been hearing for years now how fantastic Thorium is, but with every new article, I wonder: so where are all these new fantastic Thorium plants? If they still don't exist, then surely that suggests it doesn't work, doesn't it?

My current hypothesis is that nuclear became politically toxic in the 80s, and public will to support nuclear research evaporated, leading to everyone thinking "nuclear == light water reactor", and the entire field of research on fission-based nuclear stagnated as a result.

I'm not an expert though, just interested in the topic. I read up quite a bit on MSR and LFTR a decade ago and concluded that it was really interesting tech that can absolutely work but just never got enough interest for someone to "go big" with it. The wikipedia article[0] has a recent developments section that suggests the tech is quite viable.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reacto...

Re: What is a molten salt reactor?

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See also my thorium myths page https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium-myths.html

I've been hearing for years now how fantastic Thorium is, but with every new article, I wonder: so where are all these new fantastic Thorium plants? If they still don't exist, then surely that suggests it doesn't work, doesn't it?

Europe is shutting down nuclear power plants because apparently a lot of people (and many politicians) believe they will cause us to glow in the dark.

Insanity.

Re: What is a molten salt reactor?

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Ah, "Just Asking Questions", like I suspected.

I guess that is my answer.

Your answer is that these exact issues have been studied for >50 years, and had reasonable answers back then: http://moltensalt.org/references/static/downloads/pdf/ORNL-T...

Almost all largely workable decades ago before we had e.g. laser welding, modern remote welding, industrial robots, etc. Of course things are better now. (Also, of course, we'd have to learn a lot operationally to actually do it).

Still, obviously these are procedures one would like to not have to employ, as they're likely to be very expensive and troublesome. They provided ample fuel for your concern trolling while I slept and couldn't answer, though, and then for you to "conclude" that there was no answer because the person answering in my stead didn't offer one. Yuck.

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