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Indeed as sibling comment mentions there are Tcl fans out there. The guy who created redis has good things to say[0]. With a little evangelism it could maybe stage a comeback. [0] http://antirez.com/articoli/tclmisunderstood.html
Dr. Hipp of SQLite fame likes Tcl. The ginormous test suite is in Tcl.
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Off-topic, but you should be aware that the (((triple parentheses))) are apparently an anti-semitic thing. Just so you know it can be misinterpreted in some contexts x)
Context is everything. I am pretty sure LISP is not Jewish so (((looking at your LISP))) is perfectly fine.
I really like Tcl the language and some of the tooling, but certainly not all of it. I kind of wish there was a single reputable website that I could go to for all versions. I don't want something from Source Forge or ActiveState or some random person's website. I'm sure they're all fine, but I'm a lot less sketched out with running Anaconda Python or Java than Tcl. Funny enough, some Python systems include Tcl for t…
TCL has a feature which to me qualifies as a total "What the hell were they thinking?", not unlike the COME FROM command from Brainfuck, except, in a real language. That statement is upvar [1]. Read its description and despair. [1] https://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl/TclCmd/upvar.html
upvar and uplevel seem scary/strange when you read about them, but once you start using them in code, they feel perfectly suited for the task.
I really like Tcl the language and some of the tooling, but certainly not all of it. I kind of wish there was a single reputable website that I could go to for all versions. I don't want something from Source Forge or ActiveState or some random person's website. I'm sure they're all fine, but I'm a lot less sketched out with running Anaconda Python or Java than Tcl. Funny enough, some Python systems include Tcl for t…
TCL has a feature which to me qualifies as a total "What the hell were they thinking?", not unlike the COME FROM command from Brainfuck, except, in a real language. That statement is upvar [1]. Read its description and despair. [1] https://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl/TclCmd/upvar.html
Think of it as similar to "passing value by reference", for example when you pass the address of a variable in C/C++.
I like Tcl a lot. The design is simple, extremely easy to learn, and yet the code is still maintainable (((looking at you LISP))). Among the scripting languages I've used, I probably liked Tcl the most. I wish it didn't fall out of favor.
Off-topic, but you should be aware that the (((triple parentheses))) are apparently an anti-semitic thing. Just so you know it can be misinterpreted in some contexts x)
[1]: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/26/us/adl-new-hate-symbols/i...
The article doesn't discuss how Sun turned away from Tcl and embraced Java instead (understandable since it focuses on Tcl). It's interesting because Sun had the same goals for Tcl as they did for Java (or vice-versa!): " evolve Tcl into a universal scripting language for the Internet ", " allows untrusted scripts to be evaluated safely ", " Tcl plugin, so that Tcl scripts can be evaluated in a Web browser ". Ousterh…
I was the VP of Engineering of Ousterhout's spinout company, Scriptics, and worked for him. I don't know the story of how Sun made the decision but John has a longer History of Tcl here: https://web.stanford.edu/~ouster/cgi-bin/tclHistory.php "At the same time, it became clear that Sun needed to focus its language evangelism around Java, which was released shortly after I arrived at Sun and had become hugely popular.…
The article doesn't discuss how Sun turned away from Tcl and embraced Java instead (understandable since it focuses on Tcl). It's interesting because Sun had the same goals for Tcl as they did for Java (or vice-versa!): " evolve Tcl into a universal scripting language for the Internet ", " allows untrusted scripts to be evaluated safely ", " Tcl plugin, so that Tcl scripts can be evaluated in a Web browser ". Ousterh…
I was the VP of Engineering of Ousterhout's spinout company, Scriptics, and worked for him. I don't know the story of how Sun made the decision but John has a longer History of Tcl here: https://web.stanford.edu/~ouster/cgi-bin/tclHistory.php "At the same time, it became clear that Sun needed to focus its language evangelism around Java, which was released shortly after I arrived at Sun and had become hugely popular.…
I really like Tcl the language and some of the tooling, but certainly not all of it. I kind of wish there was a single reputable website that I could go to for all versions. I don't want something from Source Forge or ActiveState or some random person's website. I'm sure they're all fine, but I'm a lot less sketched out with running Anaconda Python or Java than Tcl. Funny enough, some Python systems include Tcl for t…
TCL has a feature which to me qualifies as a total "What the hell were they thinking?", not unlike the COME FROM command from Brainfuck, except, in a real language. That statement is upvar [1]. Read its description and despair. [1] https://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl/TclCmd/upvar.html
I once did a web search to see whether there was an equivalent in PHP. I found a thread in at PHP forum, which told a poster that he was a bad person for wanting such a thing. (This was a long time ago, so perhaps I exaggerate. But they did say that PHP was just fine without it.)
I love Tcl. I haven't used it in a while as my job scope has changed. I used to write all sort of utilities and throw a little UI on top with Tk. I still keep watch on what happens in that space.
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Off-topic, but you should be aware that the (((triple parentheses))) are apparently an anti-semitic thing. Just so you know it can be misinterpreted in some contexts x)
When anti-semites or alt-right people or other hate groups decide to adopt an arbitrary, commonly used sign (like, the "ok" symbol [1]), is the correct reaction to stop using that sign, basically giving it to them, or is the correct reaction to use it as much as possible in non-racist/x-ist contexts, to dilute the intended co-option? Honestly I don't really know the answer. I completely understand avoiding it to not…