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The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by nicce »

cromka wrote: post #59
zwieback wrote: post #30

I like the idea of a more open phone a lot but dispute the "Smartphones are shit" premise. I think modern smart phones are an unbelievably awesome value. Battery, display, wireless and processing power have advanced at such an unbelievable rate that we have something in our pockets that far exceeds predictions of 20, 30, 100 years ago. The problem is that we don't want to pay what it really costs to have such a great…

> we don't want to pay what it really costs to have such a great system so we sell our souls and then endlessly gripe about it. Last time I checked, Apple does not subsidize their hardware and actually earns majority their money off of the hardware markup, not the services.

Still, while this might be true, you are decribing only 28% of the world, and the opposite situation might be on control elsewhere. Not to mention gaming devices such as PS, Nintendo or Xbox, while it is a bit different thing.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by fancyfredbot »

josephcsible wrote: post #68
jokethrowaway wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the nth round of european regulations, plenty of banks started requiring a smartphone app installed on Android or iOS as 2 factor authentication

What regulation requires Android or iOS in particular?

Wrong question. It's the market which requires this, not the regulation.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by arbitrage »

throwaway71271 wrote: post #79
Kerrick wrote: post #58

> Don't smartphones... kind of suck? How many times have you had to replace a phone in the past 10 years? Do you have a drawer of random crap with a growing pile of phones? I simply cannot relate with this hook. > Don't smartphones... kind of suck? No, smartphones are kinda magical. They take better snapshots than my first DSLR, they play games at higher fidelity than my first gaming PC, and they’re general purpose c…

> general purpose computing devices not so general, you can pretty much only run programs allowed by the mothership, and if some neural net decides you can be locked out of your phone forever

You are purposely taking the well known and understood term "general purpose computing device" out of context and using it as a polemical statement to push an agenda.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by mort96 »

arbitrage wrote: post #83
throwaway71271 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> general purpose computing devices not so general, you can pretty much only run programs allowed by the mothership, and if some neural net decides you can be locked out of your phone forever

You are purposely taking the well known and understood term "general purpose computing device" out of context and using it as a polemical statement to push an agenda.

Nah. It's not outrageous to say that a criteria for being a "general purpose computing device" is that I should be able to run whatever code I want on it.

I say this as someone who's an iPhone user, and I'm perfectly happy with my iPhone. But I wouldn't call it a general purpose computing device honestly. The Android phone I used many years ago, for all its flaws, would have fit that description much better IMO.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by arbitrage »

josephcsible wrote: post #56
imchillyb wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

How is having no web-app or web-client (and banning you if you use any third-party client) meaningfully different from refusing to let you access anything in the browser?

It's different in that it allows a contrarian farkwad (or someone with O.D.D.) to disagree with anyone they wish.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by atoav »

zwieback wrote: post #30

I like the idea of a more open phone a lot but dispute the "Smartphones are shit" premise. I think modern smart phones are an unbelievably awesome value. Battery, display, wireless and processing power have advanced at such an unbelievable rate that we have something in our pockets that far exceeds predictions of 20, 30, 100 years ago. The problem is that we don't want to pay what it really costs to have such a great…

I have a fairphone and had mostly Samsung Galaxy devices before.

I was blown away when a phone that I bought didn't actually contain all kinds of bloatware. That this is not just forbidden is beyond me.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by pwthornton »

mathgeek wrote: post #78
cromka wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we don't want to pay what it really costs to have such a great system so we sell our souls and then endlessly gripe about it. Last time I checked, Apple does not subsidize their hardware and actually earns majority their money off of the hardware markup, not the services.

Plenty of carriers subsidize Apple hardware. Apple also has https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

You are paying for it one way or the other. Either through a direct hardware purchase or a higher monthly fee.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by asciimov »

The only solution to the e-waste problem is legislation.

First we need to pass laws that force repair ability on these devices. Like being able to replace a battery easily, think slipping the back cover off easy. Force the unification of a charging standard. Finally we need to nickle and dime these companies for not making the devices more reusable.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by throwaway71271 »

arbitrage wrote: post #83
throwaway71271 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> general purpose computing devices not so general, you can pretty much only run programs allowed by the mothership, and if some neural net decides you can be locked out of your phone forever

You are purposely taking the well known and understood term "general purpose computing device" out of context and using it as a polemical statement to push an agenda.

"general purpose" for me means I can set the program counter somewhere and run my code

in general the term vaguely means 'this computer can perform many different tasks' but can an iphone perform a task you want, but apple did not allow?

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

mariusor wrote: post #6

I wish Sailfish OS had a mention. If someone tries to escape the Android/iOS duopoly, it's probably the most mature linux based distribution out there. It's not fully open source that's true, but it can be daily driven on a number of modern(ish) compatible hardware. The most prominent of them being some of Sony's Xperia's line(official) and a slew of other older devices through the efforts of a community of enthusias…

I'm waiting to retire my windows phone. The stopwatch has been running for 2580 days already. But that happens when the Xperia 10 III will get sailfish support
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