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Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by jewel » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 9:21 PM UTC

wazoox wrote: post #77

fingerprinter wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would never use plain debian. security updates, support, broader user base, just to start. And Juju. Juju is going to be huge. https://juju.ubuntu.com/

What do you find lacking in Debian security updates and support? This is quite baffling.

The advantage of Ubuntu LTS over Debian is that security updates are provided for five years. Since there is a new LTS update every two years, you have a three year upgrade window, as opposed to the year-long window of Debian.

Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by rcfox » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 9:24 PM UTC

wowtip wrote: post #78

rookiejet22 wrote: post #24

IMO Ubuntu is poised to make a serious dent in the desktop market share. Maybe next year is finally going to be the year of the Linux desktop :).

Sorry, not going to happen until someone release something like the Android of desktop Linux, or an actual Android for Desktop(TM). Preinstalled, with lots of applications, and easy to use.

What does this even mean? As I understand it, Android is just a free phone OS that's easy to write for. In the desktop work, we call that Linux.

Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by chrismsnz » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 10:06 PM UTC

Adaptive wrote: post #76

va_coder wrote: post #40

An OEM laptop with 8 hours of battery life please

thinkpad x220 with the 19+ slice battery extension gets me 10 hours (real, reported 11/12). That's under arch with some power tweaking. Too bad the display is terrible.

I have the X220 and I love the display... Did you not get the IPS option?

Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by Adaptive » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 10:21 PM UTC

chrismsnz wrote: post #83

Adaptive wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

thinkpad x220 with the 19+ slice battery extension gets me 10 hours (real, reported 11/12). That's under arch with some power tweaking. Too bad the display is terrible.

I have the X220 and I love the display... Did you not get the IPS option?

I did but it has severe image persistence. Lenovo dodged for a while on this issue but finally has stepped up and admitted a problem and is replacing displays (just started). I'm going to be getting mine repaired.

It's a topic for a separate rant but it's a shame no other hw manufacturer has stepped up to offer build quality along the lines of apple's unibodies.

Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by notatoad » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 10:22 PM UTC

kin wrote: post #65

Wow I haven't looked at Ubuntu since Gutsy. This demo certainly makes me want to give it a whirl again. Before I spend hours playing with it, can anyone clue me in on its media performance (playing flash videos, dual screen, music software, etc.)

flash 11 is an amazing improvement over any previous version of flash. dual screen is seamless, zero-configuration using an ATI card and open-source drivers. if you choose to use the proprietary drivers you get slightly better framerates but you have to use their proprietary dual-screen config panels which generally work, but not as nicely. music production software, no idea. music playback is good, there's tons of options.

Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by gizmo » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 10:57 PM UTC

jewel wrote: post #81

wazoox wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you find lacking in Debian security updates and support? This is quite baffling.

The advantage of Ubuntu LTS over Debian is that security updates are provided for five years. Since there is a new LTS update every two years, you have a three year upgrade window, as opposed to the year-long window of Debian.

But the documentation is completely lacking. Debian outlines exactly what can go wrong with upgrades between major versions, what assumptions are made, and so forth. Ubuntu has basically no documentation at all.

Ubuntu is basically Debian with a bunch of extra stuff you neither want or need on a server. Such as X11.

Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by dman » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 11:05 PM UTC

fingerprinter wrote: post #35

RexRollman wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That surprises me a little; I would think that plain Debian would be better for server use.

I would never use plain debian. security updates, support, broader user base, just to start. And Juju. Juju is going to be huge. https://juju.ubuntu.com/

Are there any stats out there on ubuntu receiving faster security updates as compared to debian?

Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by Andys » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 11:11 PM UTC

gizmo wrote: post #86

jewel wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The advantage of Ubuntu LTS over Debian is that security updates are provided for five years. Since there is a new LTS update every two years, you have a three year upgrade window, as opposed to the year-long window of Debian.

But the documentation is completely lacking. Debian outlines exactly what can go wrong with upgrades between major versions, what assumptions are made, and so forth. Ubuntu has basically no documentation at all. Ubuntu is basically Debian with a bunch of extra stuff you neither want or need on a server. Such as X11.

Ubuntu Server does not contain a GUI. There's no X11 unless you ask to install it.

Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by antrix » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 11:41 PM UTC

mladenkovacevic wrote: post #46

va_coder wrote: post #40

An OEM laptop with 8 hours of battery life please

Not really OEM, but I'm running 11.04 on an Acer 3810T laptop. I am getting 6 hours on it with wi-fi, and the battery has lost about 10% of its charge capacity. With a brand new battery I could see it getting about 7-7.5 hours. An OEM with a newer processor and an SSD should be able to hit 8 hours easily.

I have the 3810T too and I can report similar numbers. But still, I get more life when I boot into Windows. Moreover, suspend & hibernate just don't work & the laptop fan always stays on.

It could be a buggy BIOS for all I know but we could still do better. Thus, an OEM option where _everything works_ would definitely be nice.

Re: Ubuntu 11.10 Released (Online Tour)

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Post by usaar333 » Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 11:53 PM UTC

Kubuntu user here. I'm a bit confused on how the left bar in this tour of unity works. I see that if I click home folder, the file manager opens up. However, if the file manager is already opened, clicking home just switches to file manager (even if it is not in the home folder!). So, how do I actually launch multiple instances of a program?