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Fuck Your Miracle Year

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Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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I learned most of it in libraries and later the Internet. Car repairs (to work in an auto service), audio technology (for building custom speakers and amps), computer hardware (for myself), programming (still shit at it), marketing (was fun), psychology (was kinda useless), English (very useful), lots of stuff. So kids these days have it easy :D I probably could've specialized better if I had done that in school, but…

Public education is a baseline. Literacy, civics, a bit of math and biology are things that can help no matter what vocation people end up with. Without it folks might end up pigeonholed into whatever their family does or a narrow selection of trades within the local community.

This common way of thinking is flawed in several ways.

1) The baseline is extremely low, and getting lower by the year

I will take math as an example. High school, at the best possible setting, leaves you knowing single variable calculus.

Is this enough? no, it's nearly zero. To be able to understand anything about math in the modern age, you have to know :

- Formal logic

- Linear Algebra and Differential Equations at 4x courses or more level

- Probability and statistics, 2 or 3 courses.

So all in all, in order to even think intelligently about a field like math, in order to have any chance at all of even comprehending the slightest inkling of what all those scientists and engineers and ML practitioners who impact your life massively even do, you have to know easily 10x of what high school, in the best possible scenario, teaches you.

Then one year passes, science, math and engineering get more complex, and high school curriculum and budgets get lower and lower, and the race to the bottom continues.

You can repeat this exercise for any subject : Ask a specialist what's the bare, absolute minimum for anyone to think or reason effectively about their subject, compare their answer to the K12 curricula for that subject, and laugh at the sheer mismatch of the two.

2) The baseline is redundant and wasteful

The sheer waste is mind boggling, all of my K12 education could be easily compressed in 6 years of study. Lessons are repeated over and over again each year, irrelevant subjects like the agricultural policy of Brazil and Nigeria are stuffed in overweight geography curriculums for no apparent reason (my country is neither of those 2), the English language's way of annotating verbs with tenses is rehashed for the 7th time this year.

There is no concept of opportunity cost, there is no awareness of a notion of "What could I teach this kid this year instead of yet another rehashing of the names of the world's most popular rivers and mountains?".

3) The baseline is low quality, low relevance and low impact

Programming is memorizing visual basic's or php's basic syntax, math is learning a formula and repeatedly applying it over and over again to questions with parameters varied, biology is memorizing the reasons of why various phenomena happen.

It's not only that what gets teached is a pathetically small subset of what needs to be teached, and not only that it's teached in 2x the time needed with metric tons of mindless repetition and rehashing. It's that even this small subset that is teached and re-teached, is teached in the most boring, unmemorable, uninspiring, useless and actively harmful way possible.

It's not a good baseline, people leave it not knowing a single worthwhile thing about anything or - even worse - actively thinking those subjects are useless pontifications and navel-gazing. It does an awful lot of harm and virtually 0 good, when you divide by the time and resources it consume .

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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We send some of our worst thinkers to educate children. Trigonometry didn’t make sense to me as a kid because I was learning from someone who didn’t understand it. They could memorize a lot of rules, but they didn’t understand it. In the face of this, what makes the most sense is fostering curiosity. Your teachers not understanding material doesn’t matter if their role is prompting you to ask the right questions and…

> We send some of our worst thinkers to educate children. I wonder if this is the sort of thing that could be fixed by paying teachers more. Why would a smart person become a teacher if a professional industry job will pay $300-500k and a teaching job will pay $100k? Is paying teachers so much even palatable to the general public?

You'd be lucky to find a teaching job paying 100K. According to this: https://study.com/academy/popular/teacher-salary-by-state.ht...

salaries top out around 70K. That's ending salary, not starting salary.

And yes, this could be fixed by paying teachers more. And treating the profession with some respect.

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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post #75

I don't understand either one of these articles to be honest. We're talking about Einstein and Newton as if their success is reproduceable if we just give people time to think? We don't have miracle years now because people like Einstein are impossibly rare. That's assuming Einstein was even human. We also don't have "miracle years" because the term doesn't actually mean anything. It's not real. Maybe the pressures o…

I'm confused... Are you suggesting Einstein was not human, e.g., an alien?

People without rare skills often rationalize the skills of others as superhuman. It’s an illusion, but a powerful one.

I don’t have any particularly rare skills either, and I made peace with that long ago. It helps you like yourself for what you do have.

Notice how cynical the tone is of the parent comment. It’s usually a sign that something is wrong.

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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Dwarkesh Patel's essay did not make much sense to me, and I don't get either how people like Jeff Bezos have time for something like this. Apparently Mark Andreessen and Paul Graham are paid to tweet all day, and they are experts at everything. Do they hire ghost-writers? How does this work?

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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It has come to light that Einstein's first wife likely was co-author of his papers but got no credit due her gender.[1] I see no mention of that in either article.

Historically, it was sort of a given that a man's career was supported by the labor of a wife. This assumption is baked into how we design jobs and it's problematic in a world where that's less true than it once was.

If you don't count hidden contributions of that sort, you will never figure out some reproducible formula.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24964646

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused... Are you suggesting Einstein was not human, e.g., an alien?

People without rare skills often rationalize the skills of others as superhuman. It’s an illusion, but a powerful one. I don’t have any particularly rare skills either, and I made peace with that long ago. It helps you like yourself for what you do have. Notice how cynical the tone is of the parent comment. It’s usually a sign that something is wrong.

It's... a joke. Yikes.

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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There’s a missed target here, I think, which is capitalism trying to turn observations into reproducible goods—-commoditising progress, in other words.

And like all things capitalism tries to commoditise, to the extent it succeeds it will degrade the thing it’s trying to reproduce and destroy whatever is unique and special and wonder-worthy about the original. A genius had a super productive year for discoveries? It should be self-evident that such a thing can’t be made routine or predictable, but the real story here is the paucity of vision of our entrepeneurs. They can’t even appreciate miracles without thinking about turning them out on a production line.

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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post #75

I don't understand either one of these articles to be honest. We're talking about Einstein and Newton as if their success is reproduceable if we just give people time to think? We don't have miracle years now because people like Einstein are impossibly rare. That's assuming Einstein was even human. We also don't have "miracle years" because the term doesn't actually mean anything. It's not real. Maybe the pressures o…

I'm confused... Are you suggesting Einstein was not human, e.g., an alien?

I'm surprised that I'm having to explain this to multiple people but yes, it's just a joke.

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People without rare skills often rationalize the skills of others as superhuman. It’s an illusion, but a powerful one. I don’t have any particularly rare skills either, and I made peace with that long ago. It helps you like yourself for what you do have. Notice how cynical the tone is of the parent comment. It’s usually a sign that something is wrong.

It's... a joke. Yikes.

What’s the punchline?
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