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The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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Re: The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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Somehow with multiple comments about how embarrassing the phones association with republican organizations is, no one seems to be talking about how they backup your messaging data in a possibly insecure way and exposing peoples email address if you have an associated phone number. Surely I can't be the only one who finds it incredibly frustrating to see how many people think being republican associated is noteworthy…

>Surely I can't be the only one who finds it incredibly frustrating to see how many people think being republican associated is noteworthy when in the context of scary privacy violations. I think the point of the conversation is that this is a bad privacy product that is being heavily marketed towards (technically) unsophisticated people who subscribe to a specific brand of politics. Those two facts aren't unrelated.…

> marketed towards (technically) unsophisticated people

it's being marketed towards gullible people, period.

as a conservative programmer, I saw the ad and laughed.

it was called out by people in conservative online communities as well.

Re: The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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Somehow with multiple comments about how embarrassing the phones association with republican organizations is, no one seems to be talking about how they backup your messaging data in a possibly insecure way and exposing peoples email address if you have an associated phone number. Surely I can't be the only one who finds it incredibly frustrating to see how many people think being republican associated is noteworthy…

Look, I’m resigned to the fact that most of the leadership and investors in most of the companies I support are voting red. It’s in their self-interest, and the majority of them are highly ranking members of the church of self-interest; acolytes of the reverend Milton Friedman. Many of the open source projects I love most for their utility and verve are built by libertarians who aren’t very amenable to paying for social safeguards. Needless to say, my political and economic views skew elsewhere. Regardless of that, I’m going to support their services and projects on their own merits, and according to my needs and those that I perceive in others.

This is different. The Freedom Phone is another cash grab against some of the most vulnerable people in my country. Their susceptibility to manipulation has been laid bare and the wolves of the world have picked them over again and again. This is targeting marketing it is most cynical conclusions. The formula is well known: Push a high margin product and service to an addressable group. Speak to their fears and with their in-group language. Tell them exactly what they want to hear and make them scared to death to do anything but buy it. It matters not what substance is behind the product. In fact, in schemes like these, actually delivering real value is antithetical to the point: to become rich, by way of filth.

I’m not politically aligned with the group that is being targeted for The Freedom Phone. In fact, they as a group have repeatedly gone out of their way to hurt people that I care about. That said, they are people just like me and don’t deserve to be defrauded. This post did an excellent job of demonstrating how they are being lied to and that makes me mad as hell.

Based on the way they treat security and compliance from what we can see on the front end, I shudder to think what it is like on the backend. Unencrypted PII+payment methods, sloppy secrets, resale and abuse of customer data are all on the table, possibly more. The thing about these kinds of schemes is that they are almost never sustainable. Technical, social, legal, and/or financial debt will eventually cause their implosion. It’s just a matter of how many people they screw over in the process.

I’m going to spend part of my Easter Sunday sending this blog post and my thoughts to the FTC and some attorneys general. I would encourage you to do the same if you’re able and so inclined. Getting this in front of media is also valuable. Exploitation of this variety is cancerous and fully deserves to called out early and often.

Re: The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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Couldn't edit on mobile, sorry. https://hothardware.com/news/us-government-subsidized-lifeli... Not the best writeup but not the worst. I experienced this myself.

> The other part of the concern is that the only recourse is to uninstall the updater. However, that means users could miss out on critical security patches and other goodies. In other words, choose your poison.

This reads like utter nonsense. If the software updater provided to you by the manufacturer is delivering malware to you, why on earth would you bother trusting “security updates” it provides to you. Unless there’s any actual evidence, given that the researchers admit the installed apps don’t actually contain malware, it all reads like a bunch of unnecessary scaremongering.

Re: The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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Somehow with multiple comments about how embarrassing the phones association with republican organizations is, no one seems to be talking about how they backup your messaging data in a possibly insecure way and exposing peoples email address if you have an associated phone number. Surely I can't be the only one who finds it incredibly frustrating to see how many people think being republican associated is noteworthy…

Look, I’m resigned to the fact that most of the leadership and investors in most of the companies I support are voting red. It’s in their self-interest, and the majority of them are highly ranking members of the church of self-interest; acolytes of the reverend Milton Friedman. Many of the open source projects I love most for their utility and verve are built by libertarians who aren’t very amenable to paying for soc…

Well said.

I don't really have much to add other than saying thanks for being a good person.

Re: The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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Wikipedia has a good summary for anyone unfamiliar; it's a $120 phone whitelabeled and sold for $500. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umidigi_A9

Love the irony that the "American Conservative" Freedom phone is just a generic phone from a Chinese tech company...

Reminds me of the cooler company Blue Coolers, whose entire business model is that they source from China to compete on price against USA made Yeti coolers. The company almost didn't make it, until they had their big break selling thousands of coolers at a trucker rally. The truckers loved the cheap coolers, even though they are only cheap because they are undercutting USA made coolers with Chinese ones. False consciousness in action! Source for this story via clips of a the reality show "I Quit" in this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZqt2bPZT1w

Re: The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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Wikipedia has a good summary for anyone unfamiliar; it's a $120 phone whitelabeled and sold for $500. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umidigi_A9

Love the irony that the "American Conservative" Freedom phone is just a generic phone from a Chinese tech company...

There is so much money to be made selling stupid people things that align with their biases.

Re: The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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Wikipedia has a good summary for anyone unfamiliar; it's a $120 phone whitelabeled and sold for $500. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umidigi_A9

Love the irony that the "American Conservative" Freedom phone is just a generic phone from a Chinese tech company...

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Re: The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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I found more info on the frequency thing: https://www.clearhealth.coach/clearscan-remote.html After scrolling, and scrolling, and scrolling some more ("is this literally peddling clairvoyance?") I finally encounter a... DNA test kit at the bottom of the page. Oh. So this is either the internet equivalent of overnight infomercial TV (oversell oversell oversell) or they actually are doing Weird Stuff to the DNA that ge…

> - They really do appear to have registered co.com to get clear.co.com, but despite co.com having an A record the IP times out, nice

They didn't register co.com; someone else did and is running it as a "domain registry". That's a whole scam of its own, if you ask me. https://registry.co.com/

> - While poking around https://www.clear.co.com/clearcenter I was curious about the VM offeri--oh it was shut down. Why is it the 2nd callout?

It only gets weirder the more you look. ClearGlass (next icon over) is some pretty wild cloud technobabble (it's described simultaneously as a "secure and scalable hybrid Blockchain platform" and a "single dashboard to manage multi-cloud infrastructure"), and the ClearShare website (which looks like a rebranded FileCoin, or something similar) links to a PDF describing a battery-powered generator called "ClearPOWER".

A lot of the web sites look like they were made from templates. Some of them even still have Lorem Ipsum text on them.

Re: The Freedom Phone is not great at privacy

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Since you can't trust any company, and you're not going to build your own device from first principles, best to avoid mobile devices alltogether. Get an old pre-owned Nokia for phone calls and use laptop-based messaging if you need it.

I wrote a messaging app based on one-time pad encryption but ended up not using it due to poor-quality random numbers available to me (you can buy external random devices but I don't trust any vendor).

Always remember Leidner's First Law: "Security is an illusion."

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