Can we really call any of the musicians and actors artists? They work in the music and movie industries and produce entertainment commodities. They are no more artists than someone making machine parts or assembling fridges.
The fake artists problem on streaming platforms
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#82I know someone who make his own music, and he has like a half a million monthly listeners in Spotify.
He has an artist name, he produce his music, googling him show you some songs in YouTube, but nothing is fake about him.
This is similar to me calling all popular Twitter users who got famous just from Twitter fake celebrities.
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#83Every now and then there's a big rant from someone in the music industry, who tries to get you upset that some other part of the music industry is an industry.
Popular music has always been manufactured. "Tin Pan Alley" was a cliche rather than a place for decades before pop as we know it existed.
The people complaining about this are record companies who have just discovered that their A&R genius fails in direct A/B testing against muzak.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
John Coltrane is only good on paper and there’s a cult of personality which exists around his work. I can’t really say that I think much of his improvisations and in general, what people believe is “incredible” could be cranked out by an algorithm. Miles Davis is the real deal of jazz for me. Never cared about notes, fame, or much other than being free . That’s jazz.
> John Coltrane is only good on paper "Cancel yourself with one terrible take" is a thing that only works on Twitter, I think.
Hey you seem to think that being in a cult of consensus is a good thing, but perhaps it isn’t?
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#85what's an artist anyways? ...I don't even know anymore. (this will only get worse now that we're on the verge of some neural net 'rendering' as much music as you can listen to in anybody's style; I mean, it's been done in a lab already) also, this seems to be all about the rights to royalties (collecting rent) for the playback of music. what's that got to do with artistry?
Art is a type of craftsmanship that has some form of self-expression.
Popular artists are mainly ruthless businessmen.
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Sounds like they're " fake " in that they're apparently fictional characters who aren't explicitly presented as such. They're just branding-icons, like the mascots who make a brand-name cereal. And then like with cereal, someone else actually makes it. I guess that this might be concerning for folks who feel like they form spiritual-connections to artists, if they then learn that there wasn't really a singular artist…
>They're just branding-icons Honestly that seems like a lot of music since the 2000s. Grab a pretty face with a good body and an autotune.
Honestly, this seems like a lot of music since the 1950s. Grab a pretty face with a good body and a nice suit.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
> John Coltrane is only good on paper "Cancel yourself with one terrible take" is a thing that only works on Twitter, I think.
Hey you seem to think that being in a cult of consensus is a good thing , but perhaps it isn’t?
I just can't figure out what it would even mean for a jazz saxophonist to be "good on paper". What does it mean? Did he hit 100 RBIs? A take such as "I don't care for Coltrane's improvisational style" would be beyond debate.
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#88It’s shameful to read all the folks claiming that actually known famous historical jazz greats are somehow being legitimately usurped by generic nothing music even in the context of background music. What the article discusses is clearly dishonest, whatever your take on the word “fake” Grammy awards are indicative of some popularity and reknown, so not seeing Grammy winners on Spotify genre pages is suspect. There ar…
If Grammy awards are indicative of some popularity and renown, why is music created by black artists so popular in the US, yet black artists are extremely under-represented when it comes to being nominated or winning Grammy awards?
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#89What makes them "fake"? I kept waiting for the author to explain how people are taking others' music and re-packaging it as their own to collect royalties, but it doesn't sound like that's what's happening. SEO-optimized music is not "fake music". It's an interesting phenomenon, and maybe even a bad one, but framing it this way is disingenuous and alarmist.
What makes the artists fake is that they are publishing only a couple songs for the specific purpose of providing the streaming platform with royalty free music, and then they disappear. The example pictures in the article show artists that have published 6 minutes and 8 minutes of music. There's also a statistic that 20 people created 500 artists. These artists are shells, facades, illusory, fake. Go looking for the…
If these people create real music, "fake" seems like the wrong adjective. It's very common for musicians to be involved in a bunch of different bands, or even for the same group of people to release music under different band names, for when they want to experiment with stuff that isn't their normal band's "brand". What's being described sounds like SEO optimization to me. A recent Reply All episode interviewed someone who is very successful at Spotify SEO: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/j4he7lv
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most people I've run across who say they like jazz do not like music by contemporary musicians who consider themselves to create jazz. Jazz right now is wildly diverse but overall pretty weird, pretty electronic, very sonically influenced by hip hop, metal, and pop. Lotta sampling, drum machines, even autotune.
> Jazz right now is wildly diverse but overall pretty weird, pretty electronic, very sonically influenced by hip hop, metal, and pop. Lotta sampling, drum machines, even autotune. This sounds interesting, have any artist recommendations?
A random sampling - Thundercat, Louis Cole / Knower, MonoNeon, Nate Smith, Vulfpeck, GoGo Penguin, Snarky Puppy
Interested in other recommendations too!