For all the faults of the western world, we will have to serve as the preserver of the record of all these abuses in countries that don't allow anything but the official version to spread. It should be noted that without the international news of the Uyghur repression there wouldn't even be an official version from the Chinese government, they were silent about it until it became big. We can't do a lot for the Uyghur people, but at least let's not get fooled into doing Xi's work for him.
Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses
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#82I do wonder who pays to have all these comments put on hacker news. This happens a lot on Russia-related threads as well. Or is it just some nationality who learned incorrect history. On the Russia-related threads I would've put it to people from India as there's a big tech group there and they speak English and their country is cozy with Russia, but they wouldn't be defending China.
Who is paying for all these pro-US government, anti-China, anti-Russia articles to pop up on tech news sites?
I know the US has interrupted the Grammy's broadcast to denounce Russia, or started the Saturday Night Live broadcast denouncing Russia, or fired various opera singers or pushed Russians out of sports federations so I guess tech is just another base to cover. After weeks of Russia bashing I guess it's time to get back to bashing the Chinaman's yellow peril.
Re: Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses
#83I do wonder who pays to have all these comments put on hacker news. This happens a lot on Russia-related threads as well. Or is it just some nationality who learned incorrect history. On the Russia-related threads I would've put it to people from India as there's a big tech group there and they speak English and their country is cozy with Russia, but they wouldn't be defending China.
I'm from Germany, and i don't feel like the US is seeing itself as "equal" as to other countries. The US is one of the most militarily aggressive states, just within my lifetime, they invaded Afghanistan, Iraq and had several weird operations in Syria and Libya. "Normal" values would be zero. I long for the day when US war crimes are treated the same way as war crimes by non-western countries. Instead they pull off s…
US is still in Syria btw, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tanf_(U.S._military_base)
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many details are not that difficult to cross-check. Similar stories (typically involving mixed part-Uyghur families torn apart by Chinese government) are abound on social media. BBC, others reported extensively on other victims as well as relevant findings from satellite imagery etc. From my understanding this is less about uncovering some categorically new information, but more about someone able to testify in court…
I'm glad you mentioned. Those satellite images are jokes to most Chinese people. In fact, the western media's coverage of Xinjiang has demonstrated your hypocrisy to those of us who didn't know it before. After this, I think it's safe to say that western mainstream media has lost its credibility in China. Some of us (not me) don't even believe Bucha massacre, just because we heard it from your mouths. Just for your c…
I am Russian and I have been informed about the hypocrisy of the communist regime that my parents grew up in. Yes, train tickets are cheap, but a pretty big downside is that citizens can only think what power-hungry country bosses demand them to think.
I do not have an opinion on Bucha because I did not study evidence yet. However, while some Western media exaggerated at some points, it is not even remotely comparable with lies told by the Russian side. (I have relatives in Ukraine who had to leave a city as it was being destroyed by military activity, so I know a fair bit from their words.) Priors tell me Bucha news is likely to be at least 50% true, sadly.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
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We should talk about the many abuses and injustices committed by the US, but why should every thread criticising Russia or China also be a thread criticising the US? If someone is genuinely concerned about the abuses of the US government then shouldn't they be making their own threads and posts without prompting, instead of just tacking them on to every thread about Russia or China?
The people responsible for those many abuses and injustices are the ones cynically pushing for aggression against Russia and China. You can’t separate the two in reality.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many details are not that difficult to cross-check. Similar stories (typically involving mixed part-Uyghur families torn apart by Chinese government) are abound on social media. BBC, others reported extensively on other victims as well as relevant findings from satellite imagery etc. From my understanding this is less about uncovering some categorically new information, but more about someone able to testify in court…
I'm glad you mentioned. Those satellite images are jokes to most Chinese people. In fact, the western media's coverage of Xinjiang has demonstrated your hypocrisy to those of us who didn't know it before. After this, I think it's safe to say that western mainstream media has lost its credibility in China. Some of us (not me) don't even believe Bucha massacre, just because we heard it from your mouths. Just for your c…
Excuse me, but why would we take what most Chinese people believe as a factor when trying to verify or understand their government actions against Muslim minority?
I mean not to say that Chinese people that most of them probably never heared (or cannot) of the tank man would be a good judgment about truth which the government are hiding on a regular basis.
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#87Holly molly, the whatsaboutism in these comments.
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I think the point is you are wholly ignoring atrocities committed by the ccp and changing the topic. So what if the US did bad things, the ccp is doing horrible things and that is what the article is about. What is your response to that? They are imprisoning millions, it boggles my mind how bringing it to light could be considered nothing more than point scoring.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't recall any US prison in the last 70+ years where people on the order of a million people, largely from a single region or ethnicity, were imprisoned on suspicion of mere affiliation. Every country probably has a signature few cases of prosecution that may provoke our indignation. That's not the same as putting people into prison because their religious beliefs make them enemies of the state.
> Every country probably has a signature few cases of prosecution that may provoke our indignation. A “few signature cases”?? I completely agree that what China is doing is completely wrong, immoral and bordering on genocide but let’s not swing too far the other way here. The US has used the prison system to persecute black people en mass for the past 70 years. Look at differing rates of incarceration and length of s…
> bordering on genocide
It should be noted that it is only "bordering on" genocide by the very watered down defintion that the UN countries themselves were willing to approve such that their own actions (notably the native american genocide) were not considered genocides.
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Do you think the camps in Xinjiang are as bad, or worse than Guantanamo? I think they are worse because: 1) You are put there for your ethnicity and religion, (no suspected crimes are needed for detainment), despite being a Chinese citizen. 2) Freedom of press in the US means we found out bad things were happening in Guantanamo, and the prison has since been mostly wound down. I think Guantanamo is good example of wh…
> 1) You are put there for your ethnicity and religion, (no suspected crimes are needed for detainment), despite being a Chinese citizen. Ditto in Guantanamo. I suggest doing a bit more research. > 2) Freedom of press in the US means we found out bad things were happening in Guantanamo, and the prison has since been mostly wound down. Done not by the US press but by Wikileaks, whose founder ( Assange) is being hounde…
> Ditto in Guantanamo. I suggest doing a bit more research.
There are far more than 1000 Islamists in the US. Not sure where you're pulling that statement from.
> Done not by the US press but by Wikileaks, whose founder ( Assange) is being hounded by both the US govt and the media.
And I can freely read all about it. It was picked up by every major news organization on American soil.
>Stop with the sanctimonious hypocrisy please.
Is it hypocritical to point out bad comparisons? I think Gitmo was bad. I think Xinjiang is worse given it's larger scale. I'd like both to stop, along with a billion other things, but here we are, on a thread about Xinjiang.
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#90Holly molly, the whatsaboutism in these comments.
"Whataboutism" is not a valid refutation in most contexts.
It's more of a chant, a mantra, a trigger word you are conditioned to bring up when some kind of obvious hypocrisy or double standard is being pointed out that you cannot otherwise refute.
[edit] Also, "whataboutism" the word, sounds like from 2ndgrader vocabulary