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Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

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9600? Try 1200 baud! Of course, this guarantees that someone will chime in talking about starting off with a 300 baud modem that worked like they showed in WarGames.

I also ran through most of the modem speeds. All the lower speeds were calls made to BBSs, pre internet. 1200, 2400, 9600, 14400, 28800, 33600…

I recall accessing Prestel at 1200/75 - 1200 baud coming down, but a measly 75 baud going back up!

Re: Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

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I had a mystery tracker installed in a car I purchased as well: https://fccid.io/2AEB4AMV01/User-Manual/Users-Manual-3928375 The dealer even added a $250 fee to "remove" this device, but I found it was still installed, so I think I ended up footing the bill for the device itself. The device is ostensibly to protect inventory from loss, but it seems like they are incentivizing dealers to leave these in cars to capture…

Is that legal? Its one thing to have a tracker installed and bury the notification in the terms and conditions, it's another entirely to charge someone to remove the tracker and then track them surreptitiously with it. At very least I feel like they owe you $250 for services not rendered.

It's not. It's fraud. If you pursue this in small claims court, make sure to include the paid equivalent of time off from work you needed to deal with the matter.

Re: Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

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This article title is FUD and the EFF is doing themselves a disservice in publishing this. The GPS tracking device had absolutely no connection to the individual being an EFF supporter, and was in fact entirely benign (if unknown to the vehicle owner). What we need from the EFF: a serious discussion about anti-theft vehicle tracking and privacy (e.g. a list of brands/dealerships installing these devices, how/where to…

What we got: awareness about vehicle trackers and some tips on how to handle them. I believe awareness of technology is crucial for civil society. Sure it's got a clickbaity title, but it worked in getting HN on it.

My sentiment towards the EFF just took a big tumble, probably permanently. Tricking and cheating people has costs as well as benefits.

EDIT: I've had my faith restored. Added reply to a comment below.

Re: Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

#84

This article title is FUD and the EFF is doing themselves a disservice in publishing this. The GPS tracking device had absolutely no connection to the individual being an EFF supporter, and was in fact entirely benign (if unknown to the vehicle owner). What we need from the EFF: a serious discussion about anti-theft vehicle tracking and privacy (e.g. a list of brands/dealerships installing these devices, how/where to…

If you want to read FUD into it, you can, but the fact is that (a) a person found a GPS tracker in her car and (b) she is an EFF supporter, which led her to contact them and get it examined. So the title is entirely justified, if a bit clickbaity. But to then say they should have refrained from publishing the article is exaggerated. Actually I was glad I read it and appalled that it seems to be routine for car dealerships to install GPS trackers in the cars of their customers without telling them. If the "clickbaity" title helps in getting more people to read the article and raising awareness of this issue, I say it's better than other clickbait articles that just try to increase some shady website's ad revenue.

Re: Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

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post #80

This article title is FUD and the EFF is doing themselves a disservice in publishing this. The GPS tracking device had absolutely no connection to the individual being an EFF supporter, and was in fact entirely benign (if unknown to the vehicle owner). What we need from the EFF: a serious discussion about anti-theft vehicle tracking and privacy (e.g. a list of brands/dealerships installing these devices, how/where to…

What we got: awareness about vehicle trackers and some tips on how to handle them. I believe awareness of technology is crucial for civil society. Sure it's got a clickbaity title, but it worked in getting HN on it.

yep EFF sound a bit paranoid on this one. But nonetheless, I'll double check my car seats !

Re: Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What we got: awareness about vehicle trackers and some tips on how to handle them. I believe awareness of technology is crucial for civil society. Sure it's got a clickbaity title, but it worked in getting HN on it.

My sentiment towards the EFF just took a big tumble, probably permanently. Tricking and cheating people has costs as well as benefits. EDIT: I've had my faith restored. Added reply to a comment below.

A twist in the tail of a good story is not cheating, it's story telling. You wouldn't want the title of a film to have a spoiler.

This article has a good story arc, and I enjoyed the read, and learnt something to boot.

Re: Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

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This article title is FUD and the EFF is doing themselves a disservice in publishing this. The GPS tracking device had absolutely no connection to the individual being an EFF supporter, and was in fact entirely benign (if unknown to the vehicle owner). What we need from the EFF: a serious discussion about anti-theft vehicle tracking and privacy (e.g. a list of brands/dealerships installing these devices, how/where to…

I think your comment is also a bit too harsh. The headline seems to indicate that an EFF member is being tracked, but it doesn't actually make that allegation, it just states a fact and the article explains how they found out it's probably benign.

Re: Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What we got: awareness about vehicle trackers and some tips on how to handle them. I believe awareness of technology is crucial for civil society. Sure it's got a clickbaity title, but it worked in getting HN on it.

My sentiment towards the EFF just took a big tumble, probably permanently. Tricking and cheating people has costs as well as benefits. EDIT: I've had my faith restored. Added reply to a comment below.

I believe this speaks more about yourself than EFF. You are judging a 79-employee non-profit based on a single article from one of them.

There's also the fact that the article did not cheat in any way, but reflected one's mindset while discovering such an issue. A bit of trickery, sure, but what's life without plot twists?

Re: Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

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> Is the sky-link GPS device still sending location data back to a Sky Link server? As someone who used to work in that industry, no, it's not sending location data. You don't activate the SIM until you have someone who is going to pay for the service, otherwise you're losing money for no reason. We'd get that question often though, someone activating a device hoping they'd be able to see everywhere it was for the la…

Still not clear. GPS can work without a SIM. Is the device logging locally when the SIM is not activated or not?

If it is then we have a concealed tracking device that can be used against the interests of the car owner at any time. It just happened that EFF didn't have the know-how to extract the logs.

Re: Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter’s Car

#90
Reading this and reading the comments I became aware again how lucky I am to be born in a place with strong customer protection and strong data protection laws.

Wow. I imagine a dealership doing this here in Germany. Even repossession isn't that easy in Germany. In Germany, you have to go the official route and get the vehicle seized by the bailiff.

Installing a tracking device without clear informed consent would go against the GDPR and be illegal.

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