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Re: Predicting Best Picture winners using coughs and sneezes

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Post by thathndude »

toyg wrote: post #36
hef19898 wrote: post #5

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David Lynchs version of it is vastly underrated, Villeneuve's Dune is so much better so! Really looking forward to part two!

I don't think it's been underrated, in critics' circles, for 15-20 years or so by now. Since the tales about its production, and the related art, have fully emerged, it has been widely re-evaluated - also because Lynch has gone on to become a bit of a sacred cow after Twin Peaks and his later work.

Twin Peaks was one of my Covid binges. So trippy.

Re: Predicting Best Picture winners using coughs and sneezes

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Post by bena »

mhh__ wrote: post #10
hef19898 wrote: post #5

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David Lynchs version of it is vastly underrated, Villeneuve's Dune is so much better so! Really looking forward to part two!

Lynch-dune is mostly good, but Villeneuve's is so much better in a beautifully indescribable way that only cinema can really do. Villeneuve has been dreaming of making his Dune since he was a boy and it shows. ignoring the visuals, the tone is just so much more ominous and alien than Lynch's. One thing that really dates old movies versus their modern counterparts (of sorts) is the sound design. Dune's sounds are abso…

I think there's a better version of Dune somewhere between Lynch and Villeneuve.

Lynch didn't trust the audience enough. The wierding modules, the amount of voice-over, the limitations of the special effects of the time, etc. Also, the studio didn't fully trust the material, forcing Lynch to cram everything in one movie. The movie starts off well-ish enough. But after Paul and Jessica escape the Harkonnens, we just sort of yadda yadda years away and jump to Paul getting ready to attack Arrakeen. I think only the last 30 or so minutes is after the escape (excluding credits). Could be longer, but the jump is jarring. The movie moves at a decent clip otherwise. Set up with the emperor whinging about the Atreides, the Atreides getting ready to leave, the arrival, establishing the Atreides are not the Harkonnens, the coup, the escape, the time jump montage, the final attack.

Villeneuve's movie covers up to the escape and that's it. Villeneuve's film is 19 minutes longer. So Villeneuve basically had the opportunity to expand the beginning of the story by about an hour. He's going to be able to cover the same ground as the last 30 minutes of the Lynch movie with at least 2 hours.

The issue is that Villeneuve kind of wastes his time. We see Dr. Yueh. And that's really it. We never get even a mention of imperial conditioning or why it's shocking that it's Dr. Yueh that betrays the Atreides. Piter is seen, but I don't think ever named. We don't meet Feyd at all in the movie. We get way more backstory about a bull's head than we do any character.

If we had more of Lynch's development and Villeneuve's aesthetic, we'd have a near perfect version of the film.

Re: Predicting Best Picture winners using coughs and sneezes

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Post by bena »

rado wrote: post #76
magicalhippo wrote: post #43

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While I loved the overall production, for me the choice of actors for several of the side characters actually made it feel like a more generic Hollywood action movie. For me it had been better to pick less well-used actors than Jason Momoa, Josh Brolin, Javier Bardem etc. Just robbed it of some of the mystique I think.

Jason Momoa was 100% Jason Momoa. His (lack of) characterisation was so bad I stared at his scenes in disbelief.

To be fair, Patrick Stewart was 100% Patrick Stewart when he played the role.

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Post by rado »

jstx1 wrote: post #21
andy_ppp wrote: post #6

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Bladerunner 2049 is amazing as is Arrival and Sicario.

Bladerunner 2049 is so slow with such a bland uneventful story and I don't think that cinematography or visuals are enough to compensate for a weak story. I just found the whole thing incredibly boring. To make a parallel between cinematography and special effects - I think at this point people are kind of dismissive of movies that emphasize special effects and there's this old George Lucas quote that "a special effe…

It's great. The rift between sentimentality and rationality holds the full spectrum of the human experience.

Re: Predicting Best Picture winners using coughs and sneezes

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

omarhaneef wrote: post #52

Before anyone takes this too seriously -- and it is surely too late for that -- I should point out that they did nothing to disambiguate the length of the movie. It may not be the coughgeist but the ... er ... timegeist (they should have a german word for it). Anyway, the point is, coughs per hour would help us know if audiences simply favor longer or shorter movies at different points in time.

They said they normalized the cough count, which I'm assuming means time adjusted?

Re: Predicting Best Picture winners using coughs and sneezes

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Post by chockchocschoir »

hiccuphippo wrote: post #64
0xfeba wrote: post #44

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Also: > We prefer subtitles over machine-learning-based detection because the presence of a cough in subtitles means it was prominent enough for a person to write it down. Also our postdoctoral fellow was the only one who completed the Tensorflow tutorial. lol

In my experience Closed Captions almost always describe sounds, specially if they happen offscreen or things like the type of background music; Subtitles don't, I assume they expect you can hear the sounds.

Which makes sense, "Closed Captioning" (CC) is different than "Subtitles", in that the purpose of CC is to provide on-screen text (captions) for deaf/near deaf viewers, while subtitles is captions for just dialogue.

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Post by tokai »

eganist wrote: post #78
tokai wrote: post #42

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It has always weirded me out that Zimmer keeps getting jobs. His overly pathetic drone has always been like a parody soundtrack. But people plays it straight as if he is actually making something that adds to the movies. Dune was peak Zimmer so if you like him I guess it makes sense to call it his best. But to me it was him making fun of himself with a straightface and nobody calls him out on it.

Please give this a watch with an open mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93A1ryc-WW0 I promise it's worth your time. Being honest, I fell in love with the score before I even knew it was Zimmer's, and once I found out, my first thought was "of course." To each their own, but if you want an idea of what went into the score, that video above is insightful.

I have seen it. Appreciate you sharing it though. Point is I don't buy his angle. To me it wasn't a fresh take on sounds of the future. It meshed bad with the movie and was a bunch of trite tropes like detached arabic-like wails and dry buzzers. Soundcloud is full of amateur electronic artists doing it better. But in the end its all taste, and I wouldn't call the movie (and soundtrack) bad. Just not anything near good. I'm kind of envious of you who like it.

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Post by enkid »

hhmc wrote: post #65
waffl wrote: post #56

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The German word for 'time' is 'Zeit', so that would be 'Zeitgeist' :)

Wouldn't want to leave the joke unexplained now, would we

As a non-German speaker I found the joke about the joke informative and humorous.

Re: Predicting Best Picture winners using coughs and sneezes

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Post by rmnclmnt »

nindalf wrote: post #37
morganvachon wrote: post #24

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This is one of the few movies of the last two decades that brought me to tears at the reveal towards the end. Once it hits you, you'll look back at the entire movie in a different mindset and it's emotionally jarring. It also helps not having read the source story.

Consider editing your comment to not mention anything spoiler related. I feel the movie hits different if you’re not expecting anything. Arrival is truly a masterpiece though. I won’t forget it as long as I live.

Don't know if you have but may I recommend reading the original novel from Ted Chiang named "Story of your life"? It's a bit different from the movie but still incredibly mind bending.

Also, any novel from the collection "Story of your life and others"[1] is worth reading and thinking about. Ted Chiang is an exceptional writer.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stories_of_Your_Life_and_Other...

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