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Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by chii »

joshmanders wrote: post #22
black_puppydog wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’d hate even more for software to come under political purviews. Really? Making software free is just about as political as it gets. Restricting that freedom, as happens here, is equally political. I guess you just don't this special kind of politics in your software.

Right? Like the whole open source movement was a massive political thing... Open source by definition is political.

but software licenses are related to the field of software and freedom _within_ software.

I'd hate to say it, but including other political ideologies into the software license is making it more political. If the author of the software wants to, he is within his rights, but i think it's the wrong platform to try to voice his opinion.

A piece of software is a platform - but using this platform (granted to the author by the participation of a community) to further a different, unrelated ideology could be considered abuse of power. May be this war is extenuating circumstances - and understandable. But i'm concerned about the slippery slope.

Realistically a license change is not going to affect the course of the war, nor make putin reconsider. I argue that the effort is only going to inconvenience their users, without actually making a true change.

It may be better to ask for donations, etc, rather than changing the license as a political statement.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by antonbabenko »

josephcsible wrote: post #6
marcinzm wrote: post #3

edited: I see the addition now.

The "Additional terms of use" section makes it non-free. Compare it to the Commons Clause.

I have updated the wording in README - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks#a... . The project was and will be under the same Apache 2 license.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by nigma1337 »

toxik wrote: post #59
nigma1337 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wanna code without thinking about the stuff happening in the world. Political stuff has its spaces, why does it have to infest everything else

You are quite literally saying "I want to exist in a vacuum", and that is just not reality. Let's use a thought experiment. You are the neighborhood's mechanic, and you do small jobs for everybody - bikes, cars, trailers. Now, your next door neighbor has been throwing dog shit on your lawn, started kicking down your mailbox in the morning, set fire to your hedge during the night. So you say, hey, asshole, I'm not fix…

That is a very good thought experiment, but i think this situation is more like me, as a mechanic going "Hey toxik, if you want me to continue to fix your bike, sign here that i'm right in my dispute against my neighbor and he is bad", while I agree, i'd prefer not to be dragged into it/reminded of it everywhere I go.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by antonbabenko »

sciurus wrote: post #58
antonbabenko wrote: post #48

Hi. I am Anton Babenko, maintainer (ukrainian by heart) here. I have updated the wording in README to state the facts about Russia (facts with links to wikipedia) - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks#a... It was never my intention to make changes in a license in any way. It would be just wrong to drop 5+ years of my life working on all terraform-aws-modules and betray everyone who have been pa…

Hi Anton, I see at https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks/c... that you have dropped the additional terms of use. I think that should alleviate the concerns people had about a license change. I appreciate you listening to your contributors and users feedback on this emotional topic. Putin khuylo!

Thank you! It was never my intention to do anything wrong with the licensing.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by encryptluks2 »

aaomidi wrote: post #71
bombcar wrote: post #51

Stallman has discussed this years ago: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freed... The most pertinent part is: > A condition against torture would not work, because enforcement of any free software license is done through the state. A state that wants to carry out torture will ignore the license. When victims of US torture try suing the US government, courts dismiss the cases on the grounds that t…

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Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by antonbabenko »

tonfreed wrote: post #74
antonbabenko wrote: post #48

Hi. I am Anton Babenko, maintainer (ukrainian by heart) here. I have updated the wording in README to state the facts about Russia (facts with links to wikipedia) - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks#a... It was never my intention to make changes in a license in any way. It would be just wrong to drop 5+ years of my life working on all terraform-aws-modules and betray everyone who have been pa…

Thank you for wading into the lion's den. You're a braver soul than most

I wish I can do more to "explain" to users from Russia/Belarus what we experience in Ukraine... maybe not in the most efficient way sometimes but that's how it works

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by antonbabenko »

seneca wrote: post #56
antonbabenko wrote: post #48

Hi. I am Anton Babenko, maintainer (ukrainian by heart) here. I have updated the wording in README to state the facts about Russia (facts with links to wikipedia) - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks#a... It was never my intention to make changes in a license in any way. It would be just wrong to drop 5+ years of my life working on all terraform-aws-modules and betray everyone who have been pa…

I hope you and your loved ones are safe and weathering this this war of aggression as best as possible. I hope your homeland remains free and is able to oust the dictator attacking it. I commend you for reverting the terms of use change. I also believe that this sort of remaining political statement in a project sets a poor precedent, and diminishes the work. Free software is meant to be open to all. Throwing ideolog…

As I said earlier, I have updated the wording in README - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks#a... . The project was and will be under the same Apache 2 license. You can continue using it as nothing is happening in Ukraine. I will never stop you or anyone else.

PS: It is not just Putin who attacks Ukraine but I don't want to go into this discussion here.

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by encryptluks2 »

aaomidi wrote: post #67
nigma1337 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But i dont support the status quo lol. I just dont want to have someones political opinion shoved down my throat wherever i go.

Except free software itself is political. There really needs to be a history class for developers.

I don't really think it is. I believe free software is natural. Saying free software is political is like saying freedom is political. How is being against oppression political? Wouldn't that just be considered natural, and the people saying it is a political stance be the ones oppressing trying to make it political?

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by antonbabenko »

jhugo wrote: post #61
nrmitchi wrote: post #41

Okay, so while this title is technically true , it is phrased in a way to incite panic. Just to be clear, AWS/Hashicorp is NOT beginning to charge people for the use of Terraform modules.

terraform-aws-modules is a community thing, that consists of modules that are thin wrappers around the official AWS provider, that serve very little purpose other than to add a dependency and create problems like this.

lol

Re: Terraform-AWS-modules/Terraform-AWS-eks transitions to non-free license

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Post by beny23 »

While I completely abhor the invasion, I can't help but feeling that the licence (and equally important) accompanying code change - https://github.com/terraform-aws-modules/terraform-aws-eks/b... - feels like a weaponisation of open source, and I think this is a dangerous thing to do. I do think that with change of "additional terms & conditions" to "additional information", it still feels an ethically dangerous place to be.

I would not be happy if a library codifies political statements. What could be next? Conditions that state you agree to vote for/against Trump, that you disagree with homosexuality or are against transphobia. Note, I'm not accusing anyone of having those views neither am I commenting on them, they merely serve as an example of the dangers of discriminating.

Dependencies and supply chain attacks are the big thing - and while dependency scanning and pinning are an important component, but I don't think it is possible to use open source libs at scale without a certain amount of trust. I work on a platform where there are hundreds of teams and thousands of microservices. I'm now trying to think how we can assess the risk of thousands of dependencies and millions of lines of code. Without trust, the only way that's possible is to fork all libs, prevent open source and generally kill off any agility and velocity. My problem is that this weaponisation is killing off trust. It's not about sitting on the fence or taking sides in a war. It's about what open source has achieved over the last 30 years and I think that's now more at risk than before…

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